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Subject: Re: PLEASE don't say that Deep Fritz is superior to Deep Blue!!!

Author: Frank Phillips

Date: 12:27:47 10/10/02

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On October 10, 2002 at 14:58:19, Amir Ban wrote:

>On October 09, 2002 at 17:48:43, Jason Jarrells wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>     After what I have seen, I have NO doubt in my mind what so ever, that DEEP
>>BLUE is superior to Deep Fritz.  I am so tired of people saying that Fritz is
>>superior to Deep Blue...  That is total BS..  What do they base it one?  I mean
>>do they compare Hardware?  LOL..  Deep Blue looked at 200,000,000 moves a
>>second.  Fritz sees 3,000,000 a second.  Deep Blue gives Kasparov all he can
>>handle and them some.  It WINS!!!  Deep Fritz on the other hand is getting
>>OWNED!!  TOTALLY ABUSED!!  Kramnik isn't that much better then Kasparov.  Some
>>people say that Kasparov just can't play against computers.  I don't buy that.
>>We will se in a couple months.  IF he abuses Deep Junior as Kramnik is to Fritz,
>>then will that answer the questions about the strength of Deep Blue?  That will
>>be the strongest in my mind untill something can win over the best GM's.  Or
>>untill they put Deep Fritz on Deep Blue's hardware.  Then and ONLY then will
>>Fritz be stronger then Deep Blue.
>
>Deep Fritz evaluation is clearly better than Deep Blue's.

I am open minded about this whole issue, but
can someone please post some data to illustrate
the point.

In a earlier post it was asserted that certain aspects of commercials
are better than Deep Blue; and then later the comment that examples
could not be give because no one knew what commercials and Deep Blue
do.

Frank


>
>I believe this is also true for the tactics, but anyway even if I concede the
>opinion of others that Deep Blue had awesome tactical powers, I note that this
>awesome power was not demonstrated in its match with Kasparov, as none of its
>wins or saves were due to tactics that are out of the reach of other programs
>(with the possible exception of its 36th move of the 2nd game, which doesn't
>appear to be due to tactics).
>
>As was discussed several times on this board, Deep Blue's legendary tactical
>ability was never demonstrated by any move it made over the board in its career.
>
>Amir



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