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Subject: Re: first possible example of a Blunder by Kramnik

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 15:22:29 10/25/02

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On October 25, 2002 at 12:18:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 25, 2002 at 09:55:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On October 24, 2002 at 17:17:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>Here is a game where Kramnik played black, and he made the same sort of
>>>sacrifice he made against Deep Fritz,
>>
>>Wrong!
>>
>>
>>>but he made it against Anand, and he
>>>got rapped for it.  Crafty says this just drops a piece.  I ran the position
>>>after
>>>Bxf2 to a pretty deep depth and the score didn't change as I even followed the
>>>game for a move or two deeper.  If you let Crafty search for a black move
>>>there, it likes either the rook move as suggested in the annotation, or Nd8
>>>if you let it search longer than one second...  Score after Bxf2 is +3.5, score
>>>after Nd8 is +.5.
>>
>>I think we could prove very quickly why it's way too early that we could rely on
>>the research with our actual PC programs. Also you miss the complete problem of
>>that game. It's not at all the same or similar to the Nxf7 against Deep Fritz.
>
>It is similar for one main reason:  It simply drops a piece for nothing.
>
>So in that regard, it was a sacrifice that was unsound, which could be called
>a blunder by most any definition since it causes an equal position to turn into
>a dead lost position.

What are you talking about? The position IS already lost! So it is NOT similar
to the Kramnik-Deep Fritz position!

Rolf Tueschen


>
>>
>>First the surprise. 15.h3 is already the refutation of the line! Tjat was the
>>novelty. Kranik followed an older idea and lost his B on h5. That was the clue
>>of h3. Kramnik still tried Bxf2 but Anand had analysed the line till the 27th
>>move at home with his second. - That's all. Nothing to discover here, the whole
>>line is not ok for Black.
>>
>>Why Kramnik played such not 100% analysed positions? Where did he do that? In
>>Tilburg, aha, fine. Did he make such weak moves against Kasparov? Apparently
>>not. Conclusion? Different situations with different importances.
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>That seems to qualify as either a blunder or unsound sac...  your choice.  Here
>>>is the relevant PGN:
>>>
>>>[Event "1998.10.23"]
>>>[Site "Tilburg"]
>>>[Date "1998.11.10"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2795"]
>>>[Black "Kramnik"]
>>>[BlackElo "2780"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[Annotator "Crafty v19.1"]
>>>{annotating for player Kramnik}
>>>{using a scoring margin of +1.00 pawns.}
>>>{search time limit is 1.00}
>>>
>>>  1.      e4      e5
>>>  2.     Nf3     Nf6
>>>  3.    Nxe5      d6
>>>  4.     Nf3    Nxe4
>>>  5.      d4      d5
>>>  6.     Bd3     Nc6
>>>  7.     O-O     Be7
>>>  8.     Re1     Bg4
>>>  9.      c3      f5
>>> 10.     Qb3     O-O
>>> 11.    Nbd2     Na5
>>> 12.     Qa4     Nc6
>>> 13.     Bb5    Nxd2
>>> 14.    Nxd2     Qd6
>>> 15.      h3     Bh5
>>> 16.     Nb3     Bh4
>>> 17.     Nc5   Bxf2+
>>>                ({7:+3.33}  17. ... Bxf2+ 18. Kxf2 Nd8 19. Kg1 c6 20. Bd3 b6 21.
>>>Nb3 $18)
>>>                ({7:+0.15}  17. ... Rfe8 18. Bd2 a6 19. Rxe8+ Rxe8 20. Bxc6 bxc6
>>>21. Qxa6 Re2 $10)
>>> 18.    Kxf2     Qh2
>>>                ({8:+4.91}  18. ... Qh2 19. Bxc6 bxc6 20. Qxc6 Qd6 21. Qxd6 cxd6
>>>22. Ne6 Rfe8 $18)
>>>                ({8:+3.61}  18. ... Nd8 19. Qc2 Bg6 20. Nd7 a6 21. Nxf8 axb5 22.
>>>Nxg6 Qxg6 $18)
>>> 19.    Bxc6    bxc6
>>> 20.    Qxc6      f4
>>> 21.   Qxd5+     Kh8
>>> 22.    Qxh5      f3
>>> 23.    Qxf3   Rxf3+
>>> 24.    Kxf3    Rf8+
>>> 25.     Ke2   Qxg2+
>>> 26.     Kd3   Qxh3+
>>> 27.     Kc2    Qg2+
>>> 28.     Bd2    Qg6+
>>> 29.     Re4      h5
>>> 30.     Re1     Re8
>>> 31.     Kc1    Rxe4
>>> 32.    Nxe4      h4
>>> 33.     Ng5     Qh5
>>> 34.     Re3     Kg8
>>> 35.      c4
>>>       1-0



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