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Subject: Re: Turing Test is Fatally Flawed

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 17:04:07 11/02/02

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On November 02, 2002 at 19:47:10, Peter Berger wrote:

>On November 02, 2002 at 18:12:26, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>>>: )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )  : )
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>>>>Bob D.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's a Turing Test and there is nothing funny about it IMHO. I don't know how
>>>good and professional the "Cheater Cops" at ICC do their job but if you really
>>>managed to let everybody believe that your chessengine is a human player of
>>>course this would mean that your engine really plays human-like IMHO.
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>I know the Turing Test is Sacred among AI people.  It is absolutely taboo to say
>>anything bad about it.  However, it is fatally flawed!  It falsely assumes that
>>the human mind is the ultimate thinking machine.  Typical of the human ego to
>>think that!
>
>How has that anything to do with what I posted?

Perhaps I misunderstood you.  I thought you said [paraphrased]: "There is
nothing funny about the Turing Test IMHO."

[Are we communicating???]

>
>I don't think there is any chessprogram that can really emulate a strong human
>chessplayer so that it will fool a reasonable amount of humans at expert level,
>that's it. That's all I posted , that's all I wanted to discuss.

OK.  But there's not much to discuss about that with me, since I agree with you
100%.  Today's chess engines are not yet stronger than the top human GM.  We
agree.  Maybe others would have different ideas about this than ours.

Bob D.

>
>>
>>As an aside:  Would you say that a lightning bolt did not exist if no one saw or
>>heard it?
>
>As I don't even know what a lightning bolt is, that is beyond my abilities.

It's an electrical discharge involving the motion of an extremely large number
of electrons between two clouds or between a cloud and the Earth's surface.

[You knew that.]

Bob D.



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