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Subject: Re: Nullmove crap

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 04:59:40 12/19/02

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On December 19, 2002 at 00:21:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 18, 2002 at 22:55:44, Russell Reagan wrote:
>
>>On December 18, 2002 at 22:45:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>It is going to be a queen-odds game most every time, otherwise you have to make
>>>_sure_ you never leave your queen open to a two-mover.  IE I play Ne6 and don't
>>>let you play dxe6 in this case and instantly play Nxd8 and the game is basically
>>>over.  There are lots of such "plans" to deal with.  I think a double move once
>>>in a game is enough to offset at _least_ a 500 point rating difference.
>>
>>It sounds like you are assuming that your opponent won't know (or will
>>momentarilly forget) about this added double move rule. IE your opponent isn't
>>going to let you play Ne6, and then say, "oh, I completely forgot about the
>>double move rule." He would probably prevent you from playing Ne6 in the first
>>place, since he would have calculated ahead and known that if you get to play
>>Ne6, he loses his queen.
>>
>
>What I am saying is that it adds an impossible dimension to the game.  You have
>to make moves that allow _no_ two-move tricks.  IE two-move checkmates, or
>two-move tricks to win big material, or promote a pawn, or whatever...
>
>>I think it's a big advantage, but I think if you played 100 games between two
>>computer opponents, both of which were knowledgable about the double move
>>possibility, it wouldn't turn out 100-0, but I may be underestimating the
>>advantage.
>
>You should try it.  I used to play several variants on this theme at chess
>club meetings.  For example "may I".  It is a terrible advantage.


Bob, I think that actually the GM could (if they wished, but of course they
don't in a PR show for million dollars) almost 'zugzwang' a DEEP FRITZ. Feist
was really believing that his high selectivity could bring advantages because
the depth should be deep enough. But I am saying that good GM would find out the
solution what the machine had "forgotten" to analyse. And therefore such
nonsense is overall spoken good, for the majoritya of players, amateurs of
course, but the best players have the killer instinct to find out the exceptions
of the game.

Rolf Tueschen



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