Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 18:33:27 11/04/03
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On November 04, 2003 at 13:51:42, Christophe Theron wrote: >On November 03, 2003 at 23:38:18, Jeremiah Penery wrote: > >>On November 03, 2003 at 21:05:26, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On November 03, 2003 at 14:57:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:40:05, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 13:22:35, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC >>>>>>>without explaination. >>>>>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs ! >>>>>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>Mridul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Vincent has a one month suspension. He was told why he was suspended via email. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Noverber 30th , he will be able to post again - for those that want to mark >>>>>>their calendar. >>>>>> >>>>>>Membership to CCC is a privilige not a right. If you break the rules, your >>>>>>privilige might be taken away. Also, an FYI, the CCC moderators have an >>>>>>agreement that we do not take any action on suspensions/bannings unless all of >>>>>>us are in agreement. So any time there is any action, you should know the vote >>>>>>was 3-0. So some times we may appear to be slow in taking action, but on the >>>>>>other hand when we do take action - it's unaminous. That protects memebers >>>>>>somewhat against kneejerk reactions to posts. >>>>>> >>>>>>Michael Byrne >>>>>>Moderator >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Well done, but why has this been done behind the curtains? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>> >>>>How else would you do it? Do you want the moderators to discuss >>>>Vincent, his postings, their opinions, _all_ in public? That would >>>>not be a good way to operate. We vote on the moderators, and then we >>>>let them moderate. If we don't like the way they do their job, we vote >>>>for someone else next time... >>> >>> >>> >>>That's certainly not the way democracy works. As CCC is supposed to work like a >>>democracy, things like that should be done in the open. >> >>We elect moderators - representatives, if you will - to carry out what they >>think is in the best interest of the people they represent (those who elect >>them). If it were supposed to act like a democracy, then why have moderators at >>all? We should be voting on everything the moderators do. >> >>Nothing would ever get accomplished in such a system, which is why we do not use >>that system. CCC can best be called a representative government, in which it >>is not required for the government officials (moderators) to explain their every >>action to the people. If we don't like how they act, we elect new people when >>the term is up. > > > >Are you living is a democracy or not? > >We elect representatives, and they are accountable for what they do, so we can >decide to re-elect them or not. > >That's why in a democracy the decisions taken by the people's representatives >are made public. > > > > Christophe Christophe, I believe you mis-using the word democracy as we undestand it here is the United States. A democracy is where every decision is put to vote by the masses. That form of government is found to highly inefficient. The United Sates is often called a democracy, but technically it is a republic state. We elect our representatives to make our decisions for us. The CCC is also a form of a republic. The moderators were elected to make the decisions for the benefit of all members. I can go either way on public notice of bannings- but I would want to be sure that is what the majority of the CCC members would want before instituting such a policy. I viewed a banning as a discipline issue that is usually held to be confidential in the Unites States - perhaps other cultures view it differently.
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