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Subject: Re: Fritz X3D vs Kasparov,G (2) 1-0 (PGN)

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 06:04:24 11/14/03

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On November 14, 2003 at 06:31:21, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 13, 2003 at 21:31:33, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On November 13, 2003 at 16:57:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>
>>>On November 13, 2003 at 16:54:11, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Event "Man vs Machine"]
>>>>[Site "New York"]
>>>>[Date "2003.11.13"]
>>>>[Round "2"]
>>>>[White "Fritz X3D"]
>>>>[Black "Kasparov, Garry"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>[ECO "C66"]
>>>>[PlyCount "77"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 d6 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1
>>>>Re8 9. d4 {White last book move} 9... Bd7 10. d5 Ne7 11. Bxd7 Nxd7 12. a4 h6
>>>>13. a5 a6 14. b4 f5 15. c4 Nf6 16. Bb2 Qd7 17. Rb1 g5 18. exf5 Qxf5 19. Nf1 Qh7
>>>>20. N3d2 Nf5 21. Ne4 Nxe4 22. Rxe4 h5 23. Qd3 Rf8 24. Rbe1 Rf7 25. R1e2 g4 26.
>>>>Qb3 Raf8 27. c5 Qg6 28. cxd6 cxd6 29. b5 axb5 30. Qxb5 Bh6 31. Qb6 Kh7 32. Qb4
>>>>Rg7 33. Rxe5 dxe5 34. Qxf8 Nd4 35. Bxd4 exd4 36. Re8 Rg8 37. Qe7+ Rg7 38. Qd8
>>>>Rg8 39. Qd7+ 1-0
>>>
>>>Another reason why Kasparov should have closed the game with 17...f4, reducing
>>>the chances of such blunders. One thing Kasparov needs to learn is that against
>>>computers you play differently. Illia Smirin's games at KasparovChess are
>>>excellent examples of the correct anti-computer strategy.
>>
>>But grandmasters never make such mistakes. Even masters don't.
>>
>>If they fell for elementary tactics once per even 100 games, they would fall for
>>more complex tactics twice per game. They don't.
>
>1)A player can fall into elementary tactics once per 100 games without falling
>to complex tactics more than once per 50 games.
>
>I do not see how you get your conclusion
>
>2)The question is not only how many plies is the tactics.
>

Of course it is. Deep ply tactics are not obvious and intuition and calculation
to be detected. Not so for single ply tactics, which are seen at a glance.


>It may be the question for computer but not for humans.
>The point in this case was that white threated nothing before the mistake of
>kasparov and the rook at f8 was defended twice so other moves also did not allow
>Fritz to use the same tactics.
>

I'm not a strong player, but I saw throughout the game that if there's anything
for black to watch out for it's a sacrifice on e5. It's not as if this was a
deep & mysterious sacrifice on a7.


>
>>
>>Playing a computer is not relevant. Junior played about 100 games against >2000
>>players and nothing like this happened.
>
>The question is in how many games there was an opportunity for a similiar trap
>when one or two ply mistake is a natural move and the reply is not something
>that Junior threats before the mistake but a capture that is a bad capture
>against other moves.
>

You can lose any game instantly by succumbing to a fork, pin or whatever without
there being a previous threat.

If this happens to you, you don't get to be a master.

Amir


>>
>>First Kramnik, now this. Totally weird.
>>
>>Amir
>
>I found the case of Kramnik weird.
>The case of kasparov is also a mistake that I expect GM's to avoid
>but the probability for this type of mistake seems to me higher.
>
>Uri



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