Author: Amir Ban
Date: 06:04:24 11/14/03
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On November 14, 2003 at 06:31:21, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 13, 2003 at 21:31:33, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On November 13, 2003 at 16:57:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On November 13, 2003 at 16:54:11, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>[Event "Man vs Machine"] >>>>[Site "New York"] >>>>[Date "2003.11.13"] >>>>[Round "2"] >>>>[White "Fritz X3D"] >>>>[Black "Kasparov, Garry"] >>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>[ECO "C66"] >>>>[PlyCount "77"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 d6 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1 >>>>Re8 9. d4 {White last book move} 9... Bd7 10. d5 Ne7 11. Bxd7 Nxd7 12. a4 h6 >>>>13. a5 a6 14. b4 f5 15. c4 Nf6 16. Bb2 Qd7 17. Rb1 g5 18. exf5 Qxf5 19. Nf1 Qh7 >>>>20. N3d2 Nf5 21. Ne4 Nxe4 22. Rxe4 h5 23. Qd3 Rf8 24. Rbe1 Rf7 25. R1e2 g4 26. >>>>Qb3 Raf8 27. c5 Qg6 28. cxd6 cxd6 29. b5 axb5 30. Qxb5 Bh6 31. Qb6 Kh7 32. Qb4 >>>>Rg7 33. Rxe5 dxe5 34. Qxf8 Nd4 35. Bxd4 exd4 36. Re8 Rg8 37. Qe7+ Rg7 38. Qd8 >>>>Rg8 39. Qd7+ 1-0 >>> >>>Another reason why Kasparov should have closed the game with 17...f4, reducing >>>the chances of such blunders. One thing Kasparov needs to learn is that against >>>computers you play differently. Illia Smirin's games at KasparovChess are >>>excellent examples of the correct anti-computer strategy. >> >>But grandmasters never make such mistakes. Even masters don't. >> >>If they fell for elementary tactics once per even 100 games, they would fall for >>more complex tactics twice per game. They don't. > >1)A player can fall into elementary tactics once per 100 games without falling >to complex tactics more than once per 50 games. > >I do not see how you get your conclusion > >2)The question is not only how many plies is the tactics. > Of course it is. Deep ply tactics are not obvious and intuition and calculation to be detected. Not so for single ply tactics, which are seen at a glance. >It may be the question for computer but not for humans. >The point in this case was that white threated nothing before the mistake of >kasparov and the rook at f8 was defended twice so other moves also did not allow >Fritz to use the same tactics. > I'm not a strong player, but I saw throughout the game that if there's anything for black to watch out for it's a sacrifice on e5. It's not as if this was a deep & mysterious sacrifice on a7. > >> >>Playing a computer is not relevant. Junior played about 100 games against >2000 >>players and nothing like this happened. > >The question is in how many games there was an opportunity for a similiar trap >when one or two ply mistake is a natural move and the reply is not something >that Junior threats before the mistake but a capture that is a bad capture >against other moves. > You can lose any game instantly by succumbing to a fork, pin or whatever without there being a previous threat. If this happens to you, you don't get to be a master. Amir >> >>First Kramnik, now this. Totally weird. >> >>Amir > >I found the case of Kramnik weird. >The case of kasparov is also a mistake that I expect GM's to avoid >but the probability for this type of mistake seems to me higher. > >Uri
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