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Subject: Re: After FIDE rules Jonny's operator could not even claim the draw

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 01:29:29 12/01/03

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On December 01, 2003 at 04:18:00, Francesco Di Tolla wrote:

>As far as I understand Jonny did not claim draw at all.
>Not because the program did not ask for it while the interface did, but becasue
>both the prorgam and interface NEVER did a draw claim.
>
>The interface showed a pop-up claiming "3 fold repetition" and this is NOT a
>draw claim.
>
>The operator is supposed to claim draws on behalf of the program when the
>program actually does ask for a draw,

How ? Maybe by showing a pop-up claiming "3 fold repetition" ? If that isn't
asking then what is ?

Tony


>not when he thinks the result is the best
>for the engine or so.
>
>Actually if we strictly follow FIDE rules the operator can ask a draw for 3-fold
>repetition only if the engine does the explicit claim
>
>"3.3 Only if the computer itself so instructs him may the operator offer a draw,
>or claim a draw by repetition."
>
>source:
>http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE3
>
>so the operator was not even allowed to ask for a draw for repetition.
>
>This is a serious Fritz GUI bug.
>
>
>I agree that an engine cannot call the referee and ask for the draw but it can
>state something like "the engine asks the draw" and this would be a regular way
>to notify to the operator that the engine is asking for the draw.
>
>Imagine the opposite scenario:
>a prorgam with no Chessbase gui does not detect the 3-fold repetition, Shredder
>in CB gui does and the GUI announces 3-fold repetition. Should the operator of
>shredder ask for the draw or go for the best for the engine and continue?
>
>Clearly the operator could say the engine and the GUI have not asked for a draw.
>
>Who could claim the oppposite?
>
>regards
>Franz



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