Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:57:26 12/14/03
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On December 14, 2003 at 09:13:12, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On December 14, 2003 at 08:52:57, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 14, 2003 at 07:17:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On December 14, 2003 at 00:02:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:15:00, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 19:02:23, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:29:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 18:12:17, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 13, 2003 at 05:31:25, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Well, if without Chessbase engines you'll have a better event and make progress, >>>>>>>>>I won't stand in your way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your statement sounds like the people who tried to hold on to DOS too long when >>>>>>>>Windows (and other multitasking operating systems) were clearly the future. >>>>>>>>"Well, if without real mode you'll have better programs and make progress, I >>>>>>>>won't stand in your way." You don't hear too many of those people these days. Is >>>>>>>>Ed Schröder the only one left? :) Clearly, multiuser and multitasking operating >>>>>>>>systems are progress over DOS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>45 participants is a heck of a lot more than 14. If there are 40 participants >>>>>>>>instead, that's still a heck of a lot more than 14, with plenty of strong >>>>>>>>competition. If we had this kind of participation along with the Chessbase >>>>>>>>engines, that would be great, but I'll take 40+ participants with no Chessbase >>>>>>>>participants over 14 including Chessbase participants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What was the average rating in Graz? What is the average rating in CCT? >>>>>> >>>>>>By this logic the tournament would have been even better with only Shredder, >>>>>>Junior and Fritz. >>>>>>The others just dragged down the rating, obviously. >>>>> >>>>>OK, let me put it this way: how many top programs participated in Graz? How many >>>>>will participate in CCT? >>>>> >>>>>Having a chess championship without Junior/Fritz/Shredder is like having a >>>>>football worldcup without Brazil, Italy, Germany, England... (and if like CCT >>>>>you don't have any "drug tests", then Argentina will easily win, thanks to >>>>>Maradona :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>If quantity is the only important factor for you, then you can take 100 free >>>>>>>winboard engines, run a tournament on your computer, and crown the winner with >>>>>>>the world champion title. >>>>>> >>>>>>Quantity is important, quantity means support, interest and recognition. >>>>>> >>>>>>Where was Tiger, where was Rebel, Ruffian, SmarThink, Crafty, Yace... in your >>>>>>little shootout? >>>>> >>>>>Had they thought they had any chance to win the championship, they would have >>>>>shown up. >>>> >>>>That statement is so far beyond stupid... it really doesn't deserve a >>>>response. Drop over to ICC tonight or tomorrow night, try the quad opteron >>>>Crafty on for size in a game or two. Then come back and make that statement. >>>>It's been hitting 9M+ nodes per second and is _not_ a pushover. >>> >>>Brutus has been hitting 20M+ nodes per second in Graz, so what? >>> >>> >>>>I could >>>>probably have shown up with a 16-way machine at the very least. Do you _really_ >>>>think it would have no chance? :) >>> >>>It is up to you to think about your chances. Had you thought you had real >>>chances, you would have shown up. >>> >>>Again, Brutus had a far better evaluation than Crafty, far better search, and >>>far better nps, and it only ended 4th. >> >>How do you know that brutus had better evaluation > >?!? >I saw the evaluations. > > >>and better search than crafty? >> > >Search depth, branching factor... Crafty's search and evaluation hasn't changed >much in the recent years. > > > >>> >>>On the same hardware, Falcon never scores less than 80% against Crafty, and it >>>only ended 10th. >> >>Did you test against 19.06 and not 19.03?(results that I read suggest that 19.06 >>is an improvement) > >How much improvement? 1% speedup? 2% speedup? 5% speedup? But the same search >and evaluation I guess. You should stop guessing. I _know_. What better source than to ask??? > > >>Did you test with own books and not with Fritz8.ctg? > >I don't think it will matter. You use your own books to direct the engine into >positions it plays well. Against Crafty, Falcon has no problems in any kind of >position. (This is not true for Junior for example. In the last test, Falcon >beat Junior 4.5-1.5, but I don't think this difference of strength will hold >true if I test Junior using its tournament book.) Please feel free to come to ICC and demonstrate such outright and overwhelming superiority. Programs like Shredder, Junior, Tiger, etc are _not_ beating me 80% of the time. It is much easier to actually run the experiment than to guess... I'm always available... > > >> >>Uri
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