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Subject: Re: Did I miss VD & GCP reports on Graz WCCC ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:10:09 12/20/03

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On December 20, 2003 at 09:15:44, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Bob,
>
>just my two cents about the ICGA decision:
>
>as you may remember and as given in the explanation of the ICGA about the
>decision the draw was not declared at the correct point and the Jury thinks that
>then according to the FIDE rule the game can't be a draw.

This is wrong.  The chess program said "this is a 3-fold repetition".

If you use their reasoning, _no_ program claimed a repetition or whatever
correctly, yet they were accepted _every_ time.  This is just after-the-fact
justification for a really ugly decision.

>
>To me that explanation was sound. It can be made that way...
>
>But of course I do not agree to it - in my opinion the operator has to be as
>passiv as possible and must try to do the best for his engine - but in a passive
>way. (Like making the moves fast enough etc.) Afaik at least one person of the
>Jury had the same opinion.
>
>Let's think the other way: What to do when the draw is NOT shown by any engine.
>THEN I think it MUST be played on... But in the case we had in the 11th round
>there was clearly stated that the engine DID take the draw, by a 0.00 score AND
>by the information window...

Correct, according to what I have read here...


>
>Shredder would have lost half a point due to a bug... Well, that is bad luck but
>happens all the time... (As you mentioned already)
>
>So I definitely agree to the statement of Amir and I hope that for the next
>tournament this will be defined in a way that everybody understands it. (In my
>opinion it is already defined correctly in the rules, but there seem to be some
>need for clarification... :)
>
>Greets, Thomas

I think the rules are fine, they specifically spell out what the operator's
responsibilities/limits are.  The problem was with the TD, that didn't apply
existing rules.  Making the rules tighter won't do a thing if the TD refuses
to enforce them...






>
>P.S.: So decision X with it's explanation Y is okay - but explanation Y seems
>not to take care of the rule Z... :) Some more logic... :)



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