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Subject: Re: CM6000: just because is strong it dfoes not means is for pros

Author: Fernando Villegas

Date: 06:14:26 12/05/98

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On December 04, 1998 at 14:25:43, Reynolds Takata wrote:

>On December 04, 1998 at 10:12:03, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>Incredible how long discussion are produced because a lack of previous
>>definitions of terms, as usual. A very long thread begun about if CM6000 should
>>or should not be considered as a serious program just because nobody bothered to
>>say that serious programs does not coincide with just strong programs. Strenght
>>is now a comodity. You can get strong program even in freeware sections. Do I
>>exagerate if i say most of them defeat most of us anyway? So the point is how
>>good and workable the database is. It's good to learn openings?  Makes things
>>easier to grasp your weaknesses? Ches programas are now strong in the same sense
>>as all motorcars have wheels. The issue is: what about the rest and the rest
>>here is the surroundings, even the GUI. I dare to say that once database
>>facilities reach a point of strenght as engines has, GUi will be the next
>>decisive point to evaluate.
>>fernando
>
>
>  I'm quite sorry you are incorrect( at least your heading).  The thing is that
>Chessmaster does not have all of the features of fritz, in fact no one has the
>features of fritz/J5.  However strong players like to have the ability to play
>against varied styles of opponents, and to be able to get oppinions by various
>different programs, thus indeed CM can have a role in strong players/pro arsenal
>of training tools.  Especially because CM isn't just a strong player as you want
>to claim, but indeed it's in the top 5, plus it's style is fairly unique.  If
>you want to claim that it's Gui isn't clear well that's opinion I like the way i
>have set up it's GUI second only to fritz/J5, and i have every program in the
>ssdf top 10.  Further though it is yet to be seen, if a program came out and was
>clearly stronger than the rest of the programs, i don't care if it had
>absolutely zero features, except playing.  It would have a role.  This is not
>saying the CM is the strongest program, though it very well could be, there is
>in fact a strong arguement to be made for it, it is probably the winner of KKII,
>it's won almost all of the 40/2 tournaments on the shep testing page, the (king
>3.0)also recently just won a very strong tournament this week.  Further there is
>a pretty solid stream of Chessmaster victories being posted here.
>
>Reynolds Takata
>USCF Life Master
>Fide Master
>25 years of chess experience
>Owner of all Programs in the SSDF top 10(excepting Gandalf 3) :)


Dear Reybnolds:
In fact my post is not headed to discuss if CM600 is  or  it is not this or
that. Personally I think it is one of the three strongest programs and I like
its GUI. My point is less about CM than about how to define the field of
professional software. I propose to define it like the software capable of
giving to the most demanding GM player all what he needs to prepare for a
tournament. If that definition is correct, maybe juts one program or two could
be considered as such. Probably we need an alternative dcefinition for non
professional programs as much there is a great lag between CM6 or Junior and a
progranm like, let us say, Battle chess. This last clearly is mass market, but
then what is CM6k? Non professional but also non mass market. A third definition
is needed. What abourt serious player class'
fernando



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