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Subject: Re: SSDF Rating List 2004-02-25

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 04:39:25 02/26/04

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On February 25, 2004 at 17:58:36, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Michael,
>
>> http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333335
>
>well, I believe that Frank came to that conclusion because of the results he
>got... okay, might be a bit marketing also.

Thomas,

why you gave such a comment?
I add my personal results in my forum and Arena webpages. I have no other
results. This have not to do with marketing. I gave PGN, log files and so on.
Ruffian is strong and don't need such a bad marketing.

We have to search the reason!
That is all!
I try it with the new Ruffian versions ...
See Arena Event Forum:
Shredder vs. Ruffian (long time matches).

Best
Frank


>The SSDF-Result anyway does not say that Ruffian 1.0.1 was/is stronger then
>Ruffian 2.0.0 - look at the margin of error ! Anyway, it seems clear that under
>the conditions they have tested it, Ruffian 2.0.0 is not as much stronger as
>Frank thought.
>On the other hand I do not know how they did test it. Which book was used and
>the main question: did they use Ruffian as UCI or WB. In UCI-mode booklearning
>is not working -> for matches like they are played at SSDF booklearning is very
>important. (By the way, this makes the result of ChessMaster 9000 even more
>interesting. Even with standard setting, without learning and its own book it
>achieved a quite good result. Also Eds porting to a Windows-version was
>definitely a success - he even gained some strength which is not usual, I am
>thinking about Fritz 3 / 4)
>Besides, this is no critic to SSDF - their list is still the best we have for
>long time controls.
>
>Greets, Thomas



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