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Subject: Re: SELECTIVE MATH BY HYATT

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 19:24:08 05/19/04

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On May 19, 2004 at 12:18:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 19, 2004 at 10:29:28, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On May 18, 2004 at 14:07:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:52:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:25:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 12:34:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 11:44:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, you can't afford to leave USA 1 day, but you can afford $15k+ machines
>>>>>>always.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't own a single 15K machine, period.  I own one sony laptop, one gateway PC
>>>>>in my home.
>>>>>
>>>>>And you talk about "selective math".  In your case it is "non-math" as every
>>>>>number you puke up is utter nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>So you deny that you wrote speedup = 8.81 in your thesis
>>>>and that you wrote in your DTS article speedup = 11.1
>>>
>>>Please quote where I denied that.  I didn't deny _either_ result...
>>
>>8.81 != 11.1
>>
>>and your 11.1 results are based upon data which can be proven as a big fraud.
>
>
>First, 8.81 came from BK at 5 plies.  11.1 came from a set of game positions at
>10 plies.  8.81 carried nothing from position to position.  11.1 carried

Your 11.1 comes from nowhere. You invented it yourself. Based upon self invented
speedup numbers you calculated then search time. This is trivial to proof and
has been proven in 2002 august.

>_everything_ from position to position.  The experiments were _different_.  I
>posted recent opteron BK positions and even _they_ produced a worse speedup than
>the DTS positions.  I could test to 1/2 the depth to see if it gets even worse,
>but I'm pretty certain it would.  You don't understand the basic idea that the
>_same_ algorithm can produce _different_ results when important control
>conditions such as search depth or positions used changes.  There is little I
>can say to remove your ignorance there...

>Second, there was no "big fraud".  The speedup numbers were computed correctly.

if you do not call writing down speedup numbers yourself and calculating from
that the search times yourself big fraud, then i am not sure what you call big
fraud.

Shooting your president?

>The times were derived from the speedup numbers when someone asked for the
>times.  The nodes were _always_ computed from the speedup numbers because I did

fraud is writing down the speedup numbers yourself and calculating search times
from them. That's what you did.

>not display node counts in the middle of an iteration for the same reason I
>can't do it in Crafty.  But don't let that small fact/detail deter you from you
>basic mission...

>
>
>>
>>As done by so many in august 2002. See CCC.
>>
>>None of your data supports therefore 11.1 speedup. Only 8.81 is the claim in
>>your thesis.

[smoke curtain removed]





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