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Subject: Re: Question about comparison pentium4 Xeon2 and opteron

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 04:19:34 06/21/04

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On June 21, 2004 at 06:43:00, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On June 21, 2004 at 06:14:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 21, 2004 at 05:51:40, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>
>>>On June 21, 2004 at 05:24:33, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>I talk with a person and he tells me that Xeon2 is new technology and it is
>>>>better than opteron but it simply does not fit the price that I agree to pay for
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>He tells me that there are graphs that tell that Xeon2 is better.
>>>>When I tell him that people in this forum told me that pentium4 is relatively
>>>>bad he tells me that he does not trust them(note that he does not deal with
>>>>chess programs).
>>>>
>>>
>>>that's the point. Xeons are fine for certain applications and in generally I
>>>would say not worse than Opterons (but not better neither and much more
>>>expansive).
>>>
>>>For certain applications Xeons will outperform Opterons significantly and for
>>>others (such as chess programs) Opterons will outperform Xeons significantly.
>>>That is what all people in that board are telling you, so no need to ask other
>>>people who know nothing about chess performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>>He also claims that the Athlon64 is the same quality as the pentium4 that I can
>>>>get.
>>>>He agrees that the opteron is better than normal pentium4 that I can get.
>>>>
>>>
>>>this is all wrong. You can't no more make such general statements, since the
>>>performance for different purposes very widely. In general the P4 has also its
>>>merits and performs in some multimedia applciation very well, but for chess...
>>>
>>>>I am interested to know if there is some graph that shows that the opteron and
>>>>even the athlon64 is better than the xeon2.
>>>>
>>>
>>>look at the benchmarks given in this board and here:
>>>
>>>http://www.beepworld.de/members39/computerschach2/chessmarks.htm
>>
>>As far as I can see the leader is xeon and not athlon and the xeon is more than
>>twice faster in nps than second place so the reason is not having 2 processors
>>against one.
>
>
>This is misleading: the 1st entry is with two processors and HT enabled so
>apparently using 4 processors. Fritz than pushes the nps in the sky but that
>does not mean that it reaches greater depth (probably the contrary is true).
>
>DualXeon 3,565    2953 kn/s    Jens H. (Deep Fritz8, 2 CPU)
>
>The "realistic" value is the 4th one:
>
>DualXeon 3,565    1326 kn/s    Jens H. (Fritz8; 1 CPU)
>
>And that is an overclocked Xeon, so a standard Xeon @ 3.2 GHz would give 1190
>knps. Compare that to 1405 with AMD 64 @ 2.2 GHz!

I don't think you get 1405 kn/s on a "normal" A3400+.
There is something wrong.
Two others reported ~1330 kn/s for AMD 64 @ 2.2 Ghz.

Michael



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