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Subject: Re: WCCC: Almost no hardwareadvantage for Crafty

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 12:50:00 06/29/04

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On June 29, 2004 at 12:48:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 29, 2004 at 12:28:03, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On June 29, 2004 at 11:56:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 29, 2004 at 11:25:08, Jaime Benito de Valle Ruiz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 29, 2004 at 08:26:15, Zach Wegner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>One important point is that crafty uses bitboards, so it will have an additional
>>>>>speedup on a 64 bit processor.
>>>>
>>>>I might be wrong, but I think that Fritz also uses bitboards (I don't know about
>>>>Shredder).
>>>>Anyway, what about the compiler? And what extra efficiency do you expect from a
>>>>64-bit processor? Enough to outsearch all other engines running on similar
>>>>processors?
>>>>
>>>>Jaime
>>>
>>>
>>>AMD has tested Crafty to answer this question.  They compiled it for 32 bits,
>>>and for 64 bits.  The 64 bit version runs 47% faster than the 32 bit version,
>>>everything else remaining constant.
>>
>>Going from 32 to 64 bits also the number of registers moves up from 8 to 16
>>which is a big speedup also for Crafty and is inside that 47%.
>
>
>Does not change their statement or measurement...
>
>And the question will be whether or not the commercial guys use a beta compiler
>to produce accesses to those extra registers.  If, as you always claim, fritz is
>in ASM (rather than what Frans claims, that it was rewritten into pure C a
>couple of years back) then it won't be able to touch those registers either...

Fritz will be opteron assembly, read my lips...

Please show me a statement from Frans where he quotes it is written entirely in
C. I cannot remember that at all. They (reporters) just ask whether 'fritz' is
written in C. The answer is probably 'yes' to that (interface).

>Time will tell...
>>>Fritz does not use bitboards by the way...



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