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Subject: Re: Open letter by Eugenio Castillo (ELChinito team) ...

Author: Gerd Isenberg

Date: 10:10:53 08/28/04

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On August 28, 2004 at 12:57:19, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>Hi there,
>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter.
>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker).
>>>Eugenio wrote:
>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito.
>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's
>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I
>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays
>>>any public tournaments.
>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to
>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events.
>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused.
>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena.
>>>Eugenio Castillo."
>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology.
>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so.
>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove
>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput.
>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard
>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He
>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did
>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries.
>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't
>>receive for what reasons ever?
>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos
>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of
>>it's evaluation.
>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to
>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no
>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO.
>This way you cant help a collegue! You do the same, already Frank Q did. You try
>to blame those who were cheated. This is indecent.

Was that really an insult from my side?

I was a bit harsh, but i asked some questions and was only aware of the posted
assembly at that time.

I asked "Did i missed something?"
I asked "BTW. Is it legal to disassembly others executables?"

>A guy who committed fraud stated that he had contacted Bob, Frank said, several
>times, and who said that Bob didn't answer (!!), but Bob explained that he had
>never received a request by Castillo.


>Do you, Gerd, now want to put Bob and Castillo on equal levels.

I simply believe both in that issue.
What is the reason that Dann Corbit was involved?

>I must honestly say that you can forget all about a rehabilitation in this case.
>I do also feel much sorrow that Frank Q and also you insulted Paul H here in CCC
>of something like witchhunt.

My reply to Paul Hunter:

"Thanks for clarifying this again.
So the executable contained a symbol map.
Yes, witch hunting really came in my mind too."
"My apologies to you."

>I mean you should apologize instead of publishing
>such utter nonsense in your actual message. I mean is this scene so rotten dirty
>that you cant feel what this is dirty in your message?


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