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Subject: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes

Author: Stuart Cracraft

Date: 06:58:09 09/09/04

It seems to me that the bulk of this board's contents these
days is non-programmer, i.e. "I have this program which I didn't
write and I am going to play it against that program which I
didn't write so I can prove absolutely nothing but look like a
computer chess programmer in the process, which I'm not."

Personally, I'd favor a board that is programmer's only. To get
in, you have to have created a program *** from scratch ***
and be willing to talk about it and help otherr programmers
as well.

I think there are a lot of onlookers here and while I enjoy that
they get impressed by chess programs I don't like the fact that
they are heightening the bandwidth requirements and will ultimately
put it out of business.

If ICD keeps anything, keep two boards: one you can keep and which
isn't a bandwidth load: CTF, however horrid and rabid it may be at
times, and the other, a pure programmer's board -- no wannabe's.

With this plan, your bandwidth requirements will drastically drop,
you will keep both core groups happy, and you can jettison the
wannabe's.

Or conversely, do as above, but let the wannabes on in read-only
mode -- this will also reduce bandwidth. They can read and learn
but that's about it. If they are truly curious about computer
chess programming, they should welcome this (but they won't.)

Further, computer chess programmers on this new board would not be
allowed to not post. After a period of inactivity or unimportant posting,
to be determined by the moderators who are computer chess programmers,
a warning note would be sent and the computer chess programmer's account
deactivated, after a lengthy warning interval.

Many like the laissez-faire approach of this board but it is just that
approach that has gotten it into trouble with 1) bandwidth requirements
creeping up from wannabe's, resulting in high expense and 2) losing the focus
on a better original goal of computer chess programmers interacting without
the paranoia that has characterized the field, first in academia and then in
commercialism due to research dollars and sales dollars.

Stuart

Re: Wannabes?? Mike S. 03:11:24 09/10/04
- Re: By the way....... David H. McClain 05:28:51 09/10/04
  - Re: By the way....... Dan Honeycutt 06:53:14 09/10/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Torstein Hall 00:10:12 09/10/04
Re: Speaking for myself__:) Earl Fuller 19:40:20 09/09/04
- Re::) Earl Fuller 19:56:24 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Mike Byrne 16:08:51 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Steve B 12:11:04 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Mridul Muralidharan 12:16:10 09/09/04
  - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Mridul Muralidharan 12:17:32 09/09/04
    - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Steve B 18:00:24 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Steven Schwartz 12:15:55 09/09/04
  - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Andreas Guettinger 12:55:15 09/09/04
    - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Mark Ryan 17:45:47 09/09/04
      - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Albert Silver 18:13:27 09/09/04
  - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Steve B 12:21:35 09/09/04
Look at the name of the forum! Graham Banks 11:39:20 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Tom Likens 11:10:12 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Dann Corbit 10:23:14 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Fernando Villegas 14:21:28 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Robert Hyatt 10:29:11 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Anthony Cozzie 10:19:30 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Tord Romstad 00:35:56 09/10/04
  - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Alessandro Scotti 20:31:16 09/10/04
  - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Anthony Cozzie 07:11:03 09/10/04
    - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Tom Likens 20:22:50 09/10/04
    - Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Albert Silver 13:35:29 09/10/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Bryan Hofmann 15:09:16 09/09/04
This is The Computer Chess Club and NOT the computer programmers club. Timothy J. Frohlick 10:14:47 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Roger D Davis 09:44:26 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Mathieu Pagé 10:06:57 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Steve Maughan 09:25:04 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Stan Arts 08:22:27 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Andrei Fortuna 08:22:15 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Fernando Villegas 08:14:34 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Albert Silver 08:13:56 09/09/04
- Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes Chris Welty 13:56:10 09/09/04
Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes David H. McClain 08:08:52 09/09/04

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