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Subject: Re: Most brilliant novelty from cct7 Witchess-Arasan

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 10:58:21 02/16/05

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On February 14, 2005 at 19:56:56, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 14, 2005 at 19:23:07, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>>Hi Arturo,
>>> I did not tune the book against Movei.... I tune a book for a specific
>>> engine. Anthony accepted my help and I did my best in 2 short months. Of
>>> course, how could you understand that?
>>we had that discussion already in several forums. Uri has his point of view
>>(which is IMO totally wrong) and will not change that... senseless to discuss...
>>You might remember CCT4 -> Since then I had never again such a fantastic tuned
>>book for Quarks needs - it was the work of Leo Dijksman which he had done in
>>several month with thousands of games and analysis. Of course it was Quark which
>>was playing that tourney but it had a fantastic book that lead it to positions
>>it can play. And that is what a good book cooker should do, he should help the
>>engine to end up in positions after the opening where it knows what it should
>>do. The more time he can spent on that the better it will do.
>>Vincencts 700 Elo might be a bit to high, but 300 is for sure a good number -
>>the difference between a random book and a well tuned book. Especially the
>>weaker or more unbalanced your engine is, the more it is important to have a
>>perfect book.
>It suggests that the engine is important because if the engine is not balanced
>you may solve the problem by doing it balance.

Every component of software is important including the book.

> Maybe for a weak engine even Vincents 700 is possible...
>I think that if the engine is too weak no book will help it unless you predict
>perfectly the opoenent moves.
>I do not see how you can do tscp 700 elo better by a book and tscp is not the
>weakest engine in the world.
>I guess that a book for weaker engines will be even less productive.

How do you know that? What are you proofs? You only guess  and how can you
support this?

>If someone want to prove me wrong he is invited to try to improve tscp rating of
>1699 in the WBEC site to 2400(slightly better than Amateur,Betsy,Leila)
>The rating should hold also against new opponents(that were still not released)
>because when I talk about book the idea is not to have killer book that work
>only against specific opponents with known books that is of course possible
>after lot of work when you put win after win in the book.

No, you are not so important so somebody wastes his valuable time in your absurd
contrdictions. :) It is enough to point your nonsense here.


What you dont tunderstand is the Vincent's sense. Because your lack of
credibility, he just put a extreme point. You think that a no-book engine can
wint a Title.Prove that in Tournaments. You still think a tiny book is enough.
How you can compete against the top engines. You will provide easy points of
course. That is what I mean.

Ok, my question is: how can I explain you in easy  words if you cannot
understand anything. It is just an "impossible mission" :)))

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