Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 02:23:28 10/06/05
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On October 06, 2005 at 02:45:37, William Sorin wrote: >"First, to say it straight, Karpov has a somewhat disdainful vision of the >"computer chess" world. He does not know a bit and he care less about the who is >who of it. He does not know nothing about Fruit or Zappa or any of the other >current new, strong programs. He said to me, always smiling: >- All that is a realm of toys. Yes, those things play strong in blitz, but >that's all... I have not too much relation with such things even if my son is >very engaged in programming, as you know.... >-But Mr Karpov -I replied- some of those toys can win long games to seasoned >masters and even GM's.. >-Yeah -he said- , some can do it here and there, but not on a regular base. >Besides I will tell you something that it is never said: It is very difficult >for a GM to play seriously with those contrivances, even if money is on the >stake. You can try, but to not avail. Your deeper mind say to you that you are >facing a toy and then you cannot put all of yourself in front of the board. >-Nevertheless, Mr karpov, you can put your strenght when playing simuls with >weaks human player, weaker players than any current program. >-Well, no. And that's the problem...When you play amateurs, you again cannot >force yourself to play really serious, but at the same time those players cannot >take advantage of your shallow attitude. They, most of them, are defeated before >the game begins. They play below his already low levels because they are facing >a GM. And in any case you are helped by your experience. Your hands play for >you. But a computer or a program is not impressed at all and, even if it is weak >from the point of view of a GM, it still will play at his best, it will squeeze >the best of his paltry understanding of the game and then it can happens that it >can win you, the master, on the ground of sheer tactics. It happens all the >time." > > > > > It's hard to believe the above jibberish is out of the mouth of a Former World >Chess Champion. The first question I asked after reading his opinion of computer >chess is what planet does the former world champion live on? Does he atleast >follow Major chess events? The two matches between top rated Kasparov and >Kramnick vs Deep fritz and Deep Junior, should be enough to convince any >reasonable person that Computer Chess Software is much more then a toy. If that >isn't enough what about the Adams vs Hydra match. Could it be that Karpov is >unaware of these matches and the many others, or is he simply just refusing to >see the facts, like many who become emotionally involved in the question of >Computer chess strength. Looking through my database i don't find many games >Karpov has played against Programs but the few I find shows that Karpov only >managed a draw against Shredder6 running on Modest Hardware (pent 600). You >would think based on his comments that Karpov has beaten the programs everytime. Yes, his attitude sounds poor. If you are a competitor, you play to kill. If you are a good competitor, you play to kill, all the time. If you are a bad competitor, you don't take your opponent seriously, and end up saying something like "Why must I lose to this idiot?" when they beat you. I'm surprised that any GM would say this kind of thing and mean it, much less Karpov. bruce
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