Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:23:25 10/29/99
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On October 29, 1999 at 19:02:30, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Posted by Dann Corbit on October 29, 1999 at 16:06:10: >> >>[snip] >>>What do you have against commercial programmers anyway? They give a lot of >>>people the joy of a good program and interface to enjoy their hobby named >>>chess. Because some are commercial they can afford to spend all their time >>>improving their product. Without being commercial the interface and engine >>>would be on a level of years back. >> >>The benefit from commercial programs is that the programmers can go at it full >>time. Dr. Hyatt has to teach (and probably publish too). Pretty much the >>samefor all of the other ameteur programs, since the inventors do not derive >>income from them. If someone is able to focus on the same problem day in and >>day out around the clock, they can come up with better solutions through better >>effort. >> >>On the other hand, private and ameteur programs can also advance chess >>programming. Maybe they don't advance it much for *YOU* but they sure do a >>lot for *ME* and for many other ameteur chess programmers. At some point, all of >>the commercial programs will benefit from ameteur efforts. Eugene Nalimov's >>tablebase files are a good case in point. Programs that use them will have >>stronger endgames (indeed, perfect endgames when the man count is small >>enough). > >I agree. > >Never meant to imply I don't use anybody else idea's. > >- A/B is not mine. >- Hash tables is not mine. > >I use them and so does everybody. > >>If a commercial programmer makes a monumental discovery, they will be more >>likely to keep it to themselves because it gives them a clear advantage in >>sales if they win more than the other programs. > >Some are some don't. > >Concerning me, at times I have given valuable information about Rebel. I don't >tell all for obvious reasons but a good listener only needs a half word. > >>The fact is that we benefit from both efforts but in different ways. I like >>crafty and rebel both. I have and use both. Both are valuable and >>interesting to me (but in different ways, even for these chess programs). > >I agree. > >Ed I agree with you ed. You have said at least one thing here that got me to thinking, and was the direct impetus for me to do the q-search pruning. I pointed out the 'best-move' problem. You got faster. Notice that 'trend'. Imagine how much progress would happen if we were _all_ doing this?
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