Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:34:24 09/05/00
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On September 05, 2000 at 15:04:10, Chessfun wrote: >On September 05, 2000 at 14:48:53, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 05, 2000 at 14:19:45, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:59:19, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:52:15, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 12:30:51, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I want to say that I know that programmers do not earn much from their program >>>>>>so I do not think that beta testers should earn a lot of money from their job >>>>>>but I think that it is fair to get something from it(even if it is only 0.1$ per >>>>>>hour of testing). >>>>> >>>>>That is complete rubbish IMHO. I would _never_ ask for money when testing a >>>>>program, whether it be commercial or not. After all, you receive a valuable >>>>>piece of software in return for your opinions and thoughts. I think that is a >>>>>fair trade. But it isn't an issue. There are plenty of people more than willing >>>>>to test a program free of charge, because they have a genuine interest in aiding >>>>>computer chess software development. >>>> >>>>It does not prove that paying the beta testers is a bad idea because it is >>>>possible that programmers can get more information by paying the beta testers. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>I must agree with Mogens totally. What you are in fact saying is paying >>>them $0.10 hr would get you better beta testers, as I read that elsewhere. >>> >>>To me that thought is laughable. You test programs be they commercial or >>>otherwise because you enjoy it, not because you may get $0.10 hour. For that >>>get the advantage. >> >>I agree that you test programs because you enjoy but you can do it with >>commercial programs without telling the programmers about games and ideas how to >>improve their program. > > >So you are in effect saying that for this $0.10 hour that would encourage >beta testers to report their findings more as opposed to finding problems or >having ideas and reporting them....I can't in all honesty see that. >People are basically honest in nature and the beta testers chosen/selected >based on the qualifications they have. There is no reason IMO that any beta >tester testing for company _X_ would not suggest ideas and or improvements >on this free piece of software that he/she wanted to test. There are reasons not to tell ideas. 1)A tester may keep an idea as a secret if (s)he wants to use the idea for his(her) program in the future and do not want other programmers to know about it in order to have an advantage. 2)I think that some ideas may be productive to most programmers and the testers can tell these ideas only to the company _X_ so company _Y_ will not have the advantage of knowing the ideas. If the tester does not get money from company _X_ the tester may not keep the idea as secret and tell it for everyone. If the tester get money from company _X_ based on selling(I did not suggest exactly 0.1$ per hour but suggested the money will be based on sales and 0.1$ per hour was only an example of a possible result) the tester will be motivated not to tell the ideas to everybody. > > >>I guess that some programmers who developed their chess programs because they >>enjoyed it did not earn more than 0.1$ per hour so you can also ask why they >>sell their program and do not make it free. > > >Ask, what right do I have to ask, when I have offered my services. >My services are offered to both non as well as commercial programmers >therefore what difference does it make to me if a non-commercial >becomes a commercial. The programmer is the one who is putting his/her >time, blood and tears into it. If he/she can make the jump to becoming >commercial I wish them all the best luck in the world. I agree that the programmer do most of the effort but the beta testers may be also reponsible to part of the jump. Uri
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