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Subject: Re: Some more test position with the same team(Nxa1 bad)

Author: Chessfun

Date: 16:26:23 10/21/00

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On October 21, 2000 at 19:14:14, Uri Blass wrote:

>White is losing in this line and has no advantage but programs have the illusion
>that white has advantage or at least equality and it pushes them to play the
>wrong Bxc4.
>
>Some programs do not play Bxc4 at tournament time control because the illusion
>is too deep for them to see it.
>
>The fact that tiger never considers Bxc4 as best may be a result of right
>evaluation or result of not seeing the illusion because it is too deep.


I think it is evaluation not as posted 1) but 2).


>My experience with chess programs tells me that the common case with programs is
>the case that the illusion is too deep for the programs to see.
>
>It can be proved by giving them the position before Ne5 and checking if they see
>positive evaluation.


Both Tiger's are negative before Ne5 and even forcing Bxc4 is a -1.00
swing from what it wants to play. Which is why I say 2).


>Crafty17.11 does not see positive evaluation but it can see evaluation that is
>close to 0 and it may push it to play Bxc4(I do not know,I remember that an old
>version of Crafty could play the wrong Bxc4 after a long time).
>Hiarcs7.32 can see positive evaluation only to fail low later and the same for
>other programs.

As I said Tiger and Gambit seeing it as a -1.00 swing they fail immediately
and it seems to me the reason is they know by evaluation or knowledge that Bxc4
is wrong.

Sarah.



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