Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 09:46:25 03/25/01
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On March 25, 2001 at 09:47:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: >I would personally like to see the negative remarks directed at ChessBase >disappear. why ? isn´t it allowed to speak out an opinion here ? Is chessbase a participant here :-))) I thought it is a company. So nobody is involved personally. >There are several things/places/people that I do not like, but I >don't continually harp on them here (or anywhere for that matter). right. i do the same. but it came (on topic !) that we discussed the news that the tiger engines will be sold by chessbase, and people commented on this. i thought it would be allowed to comment on this too. > I fail to >see how ChessBase is going to be the end of computer chess. i do not say that chessbase is the end of computerchess. i say that when all chess programs happen to be chessbase engines it will be the end of computerchess. thats something different. chessbase can continue with whatever they want to do, as long as we have alternatives, it is ok for me. > Crafty works as >an engine for the ChessBase GUI. right. i know. >They don't have _any_ say-so in what I do, >how I do it, or when I do it. They neither encourage nor discourage my >development. I am pretty sure that any commercial entity would like to see the >demise of all the freeware chess engines, for the obvious reason. But rather >than being able to discourage new program development, commercial entities are >powerless to prevent it... just look at all the winboard/xboard engines that >are available today. right. >Most people here enjoy your posts and your tournaments. But most also get >tired of the attacks on ChessBase. i have a good advise: don´t read my post when they make you tired. nobody is forced to click on posts with my name. the attacks on chessbase (!) will not stop as long as my personal opinions change. I guess they will change when chessbase behaves different. as long as they continue the way they did in the past, i see no reason to change my mind about the things. >And all you manage to do is clog up the >moderator email inbox with complaints. sorry. it should be forbidden to complain :-)))) where is the button for me to complain about the people who complain about me ? have i - when i was tired - clicked on somebodies post to complain later ? strange behaviour, isn´t it ? >Please continue doing the things you do. But everytime you find yourself >typing "ChessBase" ask yourself "Everybody knows that I don't like this >company, so is it possible for me to simply delete the thought I was writing >down and move on to something that is not negative?" look. i think the people have more problems with me speaking out my opinion, than i do with chessbase. you can see this whenever i do post nothing about chessbase, and only game data or standings, and people jump on something and make big noise (and the people jumnping on the neutral data i posted came from which groups ? chessbase lovers, fanatics and chessbase workers). Did i ever complained about them jumping on me for nothing ? and on the other hand i shall be tolerant to them ?? ok. prejudices is not only a one way street. i can live with them having a certain picture about me hating chessbase. anyone seems to have a hate-object to satisfy his urges. it's not the way they believe. i know frederic in person, also many others. i do not hate them. we do not attack each other when we see us. but i have a different opinion about what they do. nothing against the persons behind. only different ideas how to behave when doing a job as a company making business out of computerchess. i don't see why this should be a wrong and not allowed thing in a democratic world. it is not my intention to hurt them. and i have no interest and will not prevent many anonymous readers with spanish names to complain about something that is completely normal: having a different opinion about a company and the things they do. >It would certainly make the lives of the moderators much more simple. >:) sorry. i can imagine what happens. but what should i do ? there are a few people here in this forum who are deeply bound/related to the company you talk about. its normal that they defend their interest spheres by complaining when somebody attacks the company that pays them. how could i stop them to do what they need to do ? i think it is normal in a democracy that when you have at least 2 groups with different opinion, the one group will complain about the other group. no matter what the reason is. an event happens. and ONE group likes it, the other group does NOT like it, and the moderator gets complains. i will give my best not to provoke the other side. in the moment crafty plays against rebel-century3 e.g. ! i am completely busy watching this game and the main-lines and the scores. [Event "Odyssey2001-Tournament"] [Site "k6-400, 40/120"] [Date "2001.03.25"] [Round "3"] [White "cra18_3"] [Black "rebel-century3"] [Result "*"] [TimeControl "40/7200"] 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. O-O a6 7. dxc5 Qxd1 8. Rxd1 Bxc5 9. a3 b5 10. Be2 Bb7 11. b4 Be7 12. Bb2 Nbd7 13. Nbd2 Rc8 14. a4 Rc2 15. Ba3 bxa4 16. Nd4 Rc8 17. b5 Ra8 * so far it looks like crafty is better.
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