Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: This is discrimination of the worst kind

Author: Hans Christian Lykke

Date: 03:01:34 04/16/01

Go up one level in this thread


On April 16, 2001 at 05:33:47, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On April 15, 2001 at 18:44:06, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>
>
>>Here is some news about the upcoming event:
>>
>>
>>- We invited 4 programs: DB and the Deeps of Fritz, Shredder and Junior.
>>"We" is BGN and Enrique Irazoqui, with Bertil Eklund as consultant.
>
>A very nice couple. Both of them just recently called me a hypocrite
>in the CSS forum. My sin: reporting the Odyssey tournament. Reason:
>they dislike Thorsten Czub the organizer of Odyssey.
>
>Why do you mention this Ed?
>
>Because I am in this business too long. Personal dislikes have become
>the keyword expelling Rebel and Tiger.
>
>
>>- DB is obvious. Fritz has been leading everything in computer chess,
>
>Only on SSDF.
>
>Which manual tournament Fritz has won the last 3 years?
>
>Answer: NONE.
>
>
>>short of a Swiss open of 7 rounds that receives the name "world championship".
>
>
>Ridiculous...
>
>There are only 2 programs playing in this world championship.
>
>
>
>
>>Shredder is strong and got the 2 last titles, whatever they mean, although
>>it never topped the SSDF list, never won long tournaments. Junior is also
>>strong, was first in the SSDF list about a year ago, won some long
>>tournaments, achieved a PR of 2702 last year in Dortmund.
>
>Agreed, but then..........
>
>Tiger 12.0 coming from nothing topped the SSDF list. The new Tiger will
>top your list soon.
>
>
>
>>The rest is either
>>not strong enough or not SMP ready, which means they don't have a chance and
>>their inclusion would only increase randomness.
>
>What an utter nonsense is that. You and Enrique should know better than that.
>It is like Christophe said, all arranged behind the curtains, no way back.
>Discrimination of the worst kind.
>
>In no way it is proven that a multi-processor program is doing better than
>a single-processor program. Just look at the latest Ausfess tournament Tiger
>13.0 (not 14.0) topping above all the multi-processing entries:
>
>==================================================
>Tournament : Aufseß 2001
>Date : 13/03 to 17/03
>Type : 9 rounds Swiss
>Time control : 3h/all
>
> 1. Chess-Tiger 13.0        Athlon 1,3 GHz	6.5	46.5 31.75
> 2. Hiarcs 7.32             Athlon 800		6.5 	46.0 32.75
> 3. CM 6555                 Athlon 1,2 GHz	6.0 	45.5 29.00
> 4. SOS 11/2000             Athlon 800		5.5 	44.5 26.25
> 5. Deep Fritz              2x P3 1 GHz		5.5 	43.5 26.00
> 6. Gandalf 4.32h           Athlon 1,2 GHz	5.5 	36.5 20.25
> 7. Hiarcs 7.01             Athlon 1,0		5.0 	45.0 24.00
> 8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0        P3-840 		5.0 	44.0 22.25
> 9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler  P3-1000		5.0 	41.5 20.25
>10. Deep Shredder           2x P3-935           5.0	41.0 20.25
>11. Deep Junior             2x Athlon 1Ghz	5.0	40.5 18.50
>12. Century 3.0             P3-866		4.5	45.5 21.25
>13. Junior 6                Athlon 1,2 GHz	4.5	38.5 16.75
>14. Triple-Brain            2 x Celeron 500	4.0	36.5 13.25
>15. Shredder 5              Athlon 1,2 GHz	4.0	36.0 13.00
>16. Fritz 6                 P2-400		3.5	44.5 16.00
>17. The King 2.54           P4-1300		3.5	38.0 14.25
>18. Genius 6,5              P3-800		3.5	36.5 12.00
>19. Nimzo 8                 Athlon 1 GHz	3.0	36.0 10.75
>20. Goliath Light Exp.      Athlon 1,2		3.0	35.0 10.25
>21. M- Chess 7.1            P3-500		2.5	35.0  8.25
>22. CM 8000                 Athlon 1,2 GHz	2.5	35.0  8.00
>====================================
>
>The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm
>
>For once have a look at this complete victory list and tell me which program
>has won so much tournaments? Answer: ONLY Chess Tiger! And you want to expel
>this program???
>
>Another example is Paderborn 1999 the world championship all classes
>Shredder winning the tournament on a poor Pentium 550 above all the
>multi-processor entries:
>
>. Junior 4 x 500 Mhz
>. Fritz 4 x 500 Mhz
>. Ferret 4 x 400 Mhz
>. Cilkchess 240 x Alpha at 250 Mhz
>. P.ConNerS 186 x PII 450 Mhz
>. Zugzwang 512 x Alpha at 300 Mhz
>
>Bertil, you called me a hyprocrite in the CSS forum. Here on CCC you accused
>me of a campaigning against the SSDF. In email I asked you why I deserved
>such a public insult. You have ignored the email.
>
>It smells Bertil. And all of this because I am reporting Odyssey? I find
>this very very hard to believe.
>
>Furthermore I have seen the SSDF tester Lykke proudly announcing here on CCC
>his Deep Fritz - Deep Shredder game listed on the ChessBase site all well
>nicely documented with pictures, a clear case of an endorsement.

Please, Ed. Are you paranoid.
A have nothing running with Chessbase. They contacted me, and ask friendly if
the might publice the game Shredder-Deep Fritz 2hours/move.
They also asked for some pictures/data. I send them some.
If the Shredder company (Millenium, have asked, they could have done the same.
And I would have published the link too.

Venlig hilsen
Hans Christian Lykke





 And now
>this... What on earth are you doing??? You are killing your own creditability
>as SSDF as these kind of things are seriously questioning your status of
>being independant and are giving your known opponents only more ammunition
>to shoot.
>
>I can not believe this is really happening.
>
>Ed
>
>
>>- Which program is stronger against humans? Who knows and who says they do
>>differently in comp-comp as opposed to human-comp. Besides, a "candidates"
>>with 20 programs and 20 first rate GMs that consists of enough games takes
>>ages and a huge amount of money nobody mentioned.
>>
>>- The "Qualifiers" will be played in a public place (by the way, beautiful,
>>with a great view over the bay :) )
>>
>>- Programmers will send their latest babies and books, and all settings will
>>follow their instructions.
>>
>>- An international arbiter will be present for the event in case DS
>>participates. Otherwise the other two programmers don't seem to require an
>>arbiter.
>>
>>- But just in case, Bertil Eklund has been invited for the event.
>>
>>- The Cadaqués event is not to be hold in "closed session". In fact,
>>journalists, arbiter and other visitors will be present. Press and Internet
>>coverage will be substantial.
>>
>>- Programmers are free to develop their engines until October 1st, provided
>>that they will send regular updates to Kramnik. The idea is to avoid the
>>DB-Kasparov scenario, in which Kasparov had no idea of the opponent.
>>
>>- The entry fee will be returned to the programmers that won't win the
>>Qualifiers.
>>
>>- If a programmer feels entitled to play a given human player, he is more
>>than welcome to organize the match and find the funds.
>>
>>Bertil



This page took 0.01 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.