Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 15:30:34 04/11/98
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On April 11, 1998 at 17:32:08, Thorsten Czub wrote: >So the results , manually outplayed, are: > > > Wins Draws Losses result >My 3 8 3 7-7 >Rafael 1 4 0 3-2 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 10-9 for CSTal. > >If Moritz says CSTal has 2250 ELO on a 200 Mhz machine, and Fritz5 is >NOT able (as you can >see from the games and the results) to beat it although it has ELO 2589 >(2589-2250 = 339 ELO >stronger !!). >It should not play that lousy against a 339 ELO weaker program. >Also as a program with 180.000-200.000 NPS it should not play those >games against a program >doing 3500 NPS. >Also as a program "outsearching" all other programs it should not >outsearch a very selective >and slow program. > >Conclusion: >1. Fritz5 is not that strong. >2. playing manually gives different results (not games) than playing >with the ChessBase- >Autoplayer system. All ChessBase-Autoplayer system games are worthless. To reach both conclusions you need many more games against many more opponents, both, for Fritz 5 and for CST. Manual, of course. >Alternative conclusion: >1a. as CSTal gets almost 50 % against fritz5, it has an ELO 2589 too. Or >even better. See above. 19 games are way too little. >New Leader of ssdf-list (and in opposite to the results of ssdf-guys and >Enrique and Moritz we >played anything manually - so no cheating with a special device...) is >therefore Chess System >Tal. Not quite. 19 games are not statistically as valid as 19. And ratings are based on statistics... As for "cheating", who is cheating? >:-)) :) >I will later present my data (so far) of OTHER opponents playing vs. >Fritz5.01. Here Fritz5 is also >losing nice. > > >You asked for data. Here is a few data. More follows later (it takes >time to play 40/120 games if >you have to do it manually. I guess anybody knows this from old days >before we had auto232- >device). > >Have fun :-) Interesting games (no sarcasm!), thank you. I am looking forward to these hundreds of games played manually. I know it's no fun. I have done it for a couple of years, a long time ago. Nice to see you collecting data. :) Enrique
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