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Subject: Re: Crafty modified to Deep Blue - Crafty needs testers to produce outputs

Author: Bas Hamstra

Date: 18:44:45 06/18/01

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On June 18, 2001 at 19:12:18, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On June 18, 2001 at 11:19:41, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>Now you sound exactly like Bob. Noone is disqualifying their program. At the
>>time unbeatable. But it *is* possible to compare search model A with search
>>model B and conclude that B is better. DB is not a magical black box that we
>>know absolutely about.
>
>If you don't know the exact details your comparisation is going
>nowhere.
>
>The SE is a nice example of this. The SE that Vincent tested is
>totally unlike what DB used. It's tuned for a chessprogram like
>crafty, not DB.
>
>I have one that is closer to DB, but Vincent didn't test that of
>course. Also, depiste all publications MANY of the details are
>totally unsure. SE is VERY complex. And you're not ever going
>to get something close to what DB did because they simply left
>out way too much details.

>I am telling you now that you are never going to get this
>comparisation to work. Not unless Hsu fills in the missing
>details.

Maybe you are right. But until he does (let's pray) I am not convinced that he
is the only one that could make SE work by some magical trick. That is: make it
work better than skipping >90% nonsense nodes.

>>We know they didn't prune. So they could have even been
>>stronger.
>
>Hello? How can you know this? The better your eval is the
>more pruning is going to hurt.

Hi there! :-) Maybe you can explain this statement, because I don't see it. One
thing is for sure, if you ask me, with a lousy eval you get lousy pruning.

Best regards,
Bas.


















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