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Subject: crafty at the internet vs diep

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 11:43:50 05/12/98

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On May 11, 1998 at 22:35:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 11, 1998 at 17:33:44, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>
>>On May 11, 1998 at 14:06:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 11, 1998 at 02:27:47, Howard Exner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 10, 1998 at 20:49:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> round 1 was a lucky win by Kasparov...  one or two tempi
>>>>>and things turn totally around...
>>>>
>>>>Could you elaborate on this assertion? The way I'm reading
>>>>it know is, "You were lucky to mate me because I was just about
>>>>to mate you!"
>>>
>>>
>>>Here's what a GM told me in looking over this.  Basically, after
>>>the fireworks were over, Kasparov had two passed pawns, while DB
>>>had material.  in most positions, the passed pawns (only two) would
>>>not be enough to win, they would be blockaded and won.  But in this
>>>game, everything "just came together" to make this not happen.  But
>>>if you move one of the pawns back a rank, or up a rank, or make some
>>>other modification to the board, the outcome could be quite different.
>>>
>>>Now the question is, did Kasparov "see" the ending, and *know* that he
>>>could win?  Hard to say.  *if* he did, then there was no "luck".  But
>>>I don't believe he calculated that deeply, and he relied on "intuition"
>>>that just happened to work in that game.  In another game his "winning
>>>intuition" was wrong and he drew what most thought was a won endgame
>>>for him.
>>>
>>>I've seen Crafty hit such positions, once in the GM match last week in
>>>the first round against Roman.  bishops of opposite color.  What
>>>appeared
>>>to be dead drawn to all watching.  But everything was just set up so
>>>that
>>>it wasn't...  was it luck or skill?  Hard to say...  but luck certainly
>>>smiled on silicon in that game, IMHO.  I'd bet that against a GM, Crafty
>>>would draw 8 of every 10 such endgames.  I'd bet that against DB, Garry
>>>would lose 8 of every 10 such positions...
>>>
>>>But that's only an opinion, because I don't know what he really "saw".
>>>I just suspect it didn't include what actually happened...
>>
>>Crafty is not doing checks in q-search, which makes you play these
>>type of endings horrible, no matter how well your evaluation of it is,
>>if you cannot look it up in  EGTB.
>>
>>Just test it for a while: checks in q-search in the rook
>>endgame, and you'll see that besides searching less deeply, your
>>moves will improve.
>>
>>For some reason think crafty is not the standard chessprogram to see how
>>to play rook endings are played by pc programs.
>>
>>Better look at how The King or Rebel plays it.
>>
>>Greetings,
>>Vincent.
>
>
>maybe we just disagree here.  Crafty is currently playing a rook ending
>vs Rebel in the KKup, and apparently winning it.  Checks in the qsearch
>are not absolutely essential, if regular extensions cover it well
>enough.

>Again, don't tell me my approach is wrong... prove it to me...  You play
>enough games vs Crafty on ICC to be able to report how it plays..???
>I can give your "lifetime" win/lose/draw score vs Crafty if you'd
>like...

The new version in fact has 3.5 out of 4 against crafty

2.5 out of 3 against Moron:
 1: Crafty v15.5 (2 cpus)
 2: Dual 333/PII Linux(2.1.101)

1 out of 1 against
1: Crafty v15.6 (4 cpus)
 2: computer operators: limit consecutive games to 4 or less or risk
getting +noplay'ed.  I get too many complaints from IM/GM players about
getting locked out by another computer playing Crafty... Thanks...
 3: ALR Quad-6 P6/200 X 4, 512mb RAM, Linux 2.1.99

Here the history of DoctorWho:
19: = 2416 B 2461 Moron         [ sr 15  15] C55 Rep May 12 98 02:29
18: + 2414 W 2501 crafty         [ sr 30  30] C45 Res May 11 98 05:23
16: + 2392 B 2463 Moron         [ sr 15  15] B12 Mat May 10 98 01:02
15: + 2371 W 2484 Moron        [ sr 15  15] C30 Mat May 09 98 23:37

So to answer your question Bob:  3.5 out of 4  is almost 90% against
at least 3 times faster hardware.

Vincent



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