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Subject: Re: ASCI White vs. Deep Blue

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 20:08:10 09/23/01

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On September 23, 2001 at 22:36:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 23, 2001 at 18:20:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On September 23, 2001 at 15:30:08, Lonnie Cook wrote:
>>
>>>* It weighs 106 tons
>>>
>>>* costs 110M for the unit itself (doesn't include the ungodly sum to run it
>>>every day)
>>>
>>>* Has 8,192 IBM Power3 processors
>>
>>>* 12.3 trillion ops per sec.
>>>
>>>* took 28 tractor-trailer trucks to deliver
>>>
>>>this was the part that astounded me. It said it was 1,000 X's faster than Deep
>>>Blue!!
>>>
>>>so we're talking about a machine that in theory could do 200,000,000,000 nps!!
>>
>>Noop.
>>
>>IBM power3 processors. i do not know what speed they run at. Let's guess
>>they run at 375Mhz. Hehe , a cheated guess kind of.
>>
>>Now i have some numbers on these processors, but those are a few years old
>>of course. These processors suck bigtime of course. NO one wants to run
>>on 375Mhz processors nowadays. But well let's assume that at a stupid
>>cluster which ASCI white is, that you can get a decent speedup.
>>
>>Now how fast do i run at 1 node? Well that's like 15k nodes a second.
>
>That math is bad.  I'll "race" you using any PIV of your choice, me using
>an 800mhz 21264 of my choice.  And my lowly 800mhz processor will toast your
>doors off.

Here's a race on Crafty, using the same Crafty and settings:

AMD 2x1.4Ghz
Total nodes: 95124934
Raw nodes per second: 1219550
Total elapsed time: 78
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.205128

Alpha 21264(EV6) (2x667mhz)
Total nodes: 70350064
Raw nodes per second: 901923
Total elapsed time: 78
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.205128

Interesting!

Slate

>
>Don't just assume that 375mhz is bad.  The PPC is _not_ a bad machine. I
>have run on SP's...
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Still probably optimistic number of nodes a second.
>>
>>So at 8192 processors, from which you can perhaps use a 1000 at a time,
>>I would get 15M nodes a second.
>>
>>Now that looks great, but that's of course on a CLUSTER. Speedup perhaps
>>10%. 1.5M nodes a second effectively, but the bigger the depth the less
>>the speedup gets as the branching factor will be worse, unless i accept
>>that the thing first slows down at each processor (which is a likely
>>approach) and pray that the latency is more than fast at this thing.
>>
>>So you sure outsearch deep blue by many plies, but not if a new deep
>>blue would be pressed on a chip using nullmove and DDR-RAM at it.
>>
>>So you are not faster in NPS, but search improvements would let it
>>search deeper. that still wouldn't make my DIEP faster on this machine
>>than DB was in nodes a second.
>>
>>Of course DBs focus upon only getting the maximum number of NPS (that's
>>how they advertised the thing. search depths have no commercial value)
>>sure made it faster than what i would get on this machine.
>>
>>>Is this really so for those in the know with hardware and these types of
>>>machines?



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