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Subject: Re: Deep Junior 7's strange ways............

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 16:33:38 09/30/01

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On September 30, 2001 at 18:22:25, Uri Blass wrote:

>1)Junior7 also play good sacrifices that other programs do not consider so it is
>not clear if the alternative not to let it to do it is better.

I agree.  I have seen it execute some very great sacrifices.......

>
>Amir(the programmer of Junior) explained that Juior knows no better way and
>it means that doing it more materialistic is going to be counter productive(of
>course there are cases when it is going to be productive but there are more
>cases when it is going to be counter productive).

I understand.  It's asking the computer to see further than it can see.  But
from what I've seen, it seems to be a lot more productive, than counter
productive.  Because I believe (my) DJ7 wins a lot more than it loses.

>
>2)I have also an example from one of my correspondence games when Junior
>hesitates if to sacrifice a piece for 3 pawns(it wants to sacrifice a piece
>after some time but after more time changes it's mind).

I believe that in an endgame, this might not be a bad idea, or at least
considers some thought.  (DF is KNOWN for sac'ing pieces for pawns, in the
endgame.)  But on move 10, it's dangerous.  There is _no_ clear advatange, even
in DJ7's mainline, to trade the N for 3 p's.

>
>Deep Fritz in that example likes to sacrifice and it can see a clear advantage
>but it is not clear if the sacrifice is correct or not correct(I chose to
>sacrifice the piece and we are already some moves after it).

Hard to agree or disagree, without a position.  :)

>
>I may post the game later and I do not want to discuss this question here before
>the game ends.

I would be very interested.  Please do.

>
>The game is from the championship of Israel in correspondence games and
>I have 4 out of 5 in the finished games and 3 unfinished games.
>
>I have a winning position in 2 out of 3 of my games and the game that I talk
>about is the only game when I do not feel sure about the result after correct
>play of both sides.
>
>Note that I tried engine-engine games before deciding about the sacrifice and
>the only thing that I can tell is that there were no draws in these games and
>none of these games were leading to the position that is today some moves after
>the sacrifice.
>
>Uri


I look forward to seeing these games!



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