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Subject: Re: more examples for search-based stupidity

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 21:40:41 06/14/98

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On June 14, 1998 at 22:57:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 14, 1998 at 18:21:40, Hristo wrote:
>
>>On June 14, 1998 at 14:45:32, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>On June 14, 1998 at 10:51:37, Don Dailey wrote:
>>>>We could simply use this definition:
>>>>
>>>>    Tactics:  Things we can directly calculate.
>>>>
>>>> Positional:  Things we must guess at.
>>>
>>>>- Don
>>>
>>>Strong chess players "calculate" positional stuff as good as tactical
>>>stuff.
>>>They can show with evidence and facts that the move was a positional
>>>blunder.
>>>You cannot call tactics SAVE and positonal things GUESSING.
>>>
>>>Positional stuff can be transformed into material.
>>>Tactical advantage is material.
>>>Positional stuff is material transformed in something else.
>>>
>>>Like Energy. Tactics is physic-laws on materia, positional is energy in
>>>those processes.
>>>
>>>But tactics are not more accurate than positional.
>>>Both are as accurate.
>>>Thats what MY opinion is over the years studying people like Seirawan,
>>>Bronstein, Kosashvili or Kohlweyer/Schaefer fighting against the machine
>>>I operated, or i watched them killing the machine.
>>>
>>>How can you say a positional advantage is less real, just YOU are unable
>>>to COUNT - better - bean-count - it accurate !
>>>
>>>YOU are the problem. You cannot measure energy as good as measuring
>>>mass.
>>>Thats YOUR problem. Buy a new scales.
>>
>>
>>Sir !!!
>>
>>I'm so glad to see this !!!
>>I think you are absolutely correct about the mass-energy example in
>>relation to the chess game. There is only one small "correction" or
>>"adjustment" the mass and energy are interchangable, because the
>>objective of the game determines the absolute "mass" of a position.
>>
>>Best Regards.
>>Hristo
>
>
>
>this is all pure horse-hockey.  A GM plays a move that is considered
>"positional" for no better reason than he has seen that sort of "idea"
>occur many times, and it either turned out bad, or turned out good.  But
>the "turn out" was tactical in nature.  Same thing with generals
>conducting
>a war, or any other sort of "game" you can think of...  The book "My
>System"
>has lots of neat positional concepts.. but they are all illustrated as
>tactical things that are too far off to be understood.
>
>But the stuff about mass and energy is "hockey" (US slang for "crap") as
>this is not the same thing at all.  But a backward pawn isn't a weakness
>if it can't be captured, and if defending it doesn't tie up too many
>pieces
>to create weaknesses elsewhere.  I believe that *every* positional idea
>is nothing more than long-range "intuitional" tactics...  and the more
>experience I have (or a GM has) the more he uses experience to help
>avoid
>tactics... and they *all* make mistakes as a result...


I think horse hockey is just about the right word for this
"mass-energy" nonsense.   It sounds really cool but has no
substance.

- Don









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