Author: blass uri
Date: 07:56:12 07/13/98
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On July 13, 1998 at 10:14:18, Shaun Graham wrote: >On July 13, 1998 at 09:42:48, Robert Hyatt wro >> >>Your logic is flawed. You won't find many GM's that will lose to other GM's at >>the rate of 3 losses for every win, because Elo says that means that the 3 game >>loser is rated *200* points below the winner. But believe what you want, of >>course, but computers are still getting busted badly at long time controls. And >>getting busted badly does not equate to GM. The GM above beating fritz was >>*not* an Anand or Kasparov. > > >No Hyatt your logic is flawed. First of all i didn't say anything about as you >put it "MANY GM's", The truth is however that there are some and i would gather >a good number. Another thing when people use that statistic about how many >times you should statistically beat someone, it really isn't considering that if > I am playing a certain number of games against a single person, or wether i'm >playing against several people of that rating and what the effect is. I myself >have just recently played a match with an INDIVIDUAL 200 points below me , i >beat him perfectly, , besides that, i have beat him 14 times straight! I would >bet that's a bit beyond statistical error. > >Further i never said that computers weren't getting busted badly, because they >are, but you simply overlook anti computer strategy. As i said if i played in a >Swiss system tourney recieving moves from fritz, without people adopting their >anti Computer strategy, they would play normally, allow the positions to get >open,play for tactics, and then bye-bye i'd have the norm. Further i wasn't >talking about computers in general, i was talking about Fritz. I already know >or i shall say that i've heard, that you don't like the way fritz plays. >However to pull your own tactic, according to the STATISTICS of both >selctive >search, and SSDF fritz is the strongest program. Junior5.0 is not in the SSDF list or in the selective search so we cannot know if Fritz5 is the strongest. Junior4.9 had better results than fritz against grandmasters it drew against 3 grandmasters. > Further people who understand >chess much better than you, me and most people GM Yermolinsky, and i also >believe Anand believe Fritz to be the strongest commercially available >program. > >Of course neither you and i can prove wether fritz is a GM strength or not, >without actually testing fritz in actual tournament play(I believe that this >would also have to be done just as i said in a secret way with an individual >recieving moves from fritz, to avoid bias, so that players would play the way >they do normally). It is none the less, my belief that indeed Fritz(current >version) could perform well enough, to eventually recieve 3 GM norms in 5 >Years(the time in which one must obtain all 3 norms)playing on the europeon >swiss circuit of chess. after some games players can guess who is the individual receiving moves from fritz. I have another idea that in every game the players will not know against who they are playing. everyone will give his(her,its) move to a computer program and the computer program will give it to the opponent. Uri
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