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Subject: Re: Hiarcs 8 vs Shredder 6 Classic (10 games PGN)

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 12:39:27 05/24/02

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On May 24, 2002 at 13:34:17, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

Dear Kurt,

it is true that he did not play enough games, but I did and I told that the
Classic version is stronger.

"UNFORTUNATELY SSDF FINDS TIME TO TEST SEVERAL TIGER VERSION AND NOT THE WC
PROGRAM-:((("

I sincerely did not understood this yet.

Recently they stated that it is not clear which book is better, but they only
tested the classic with the slower K2-450.

This to me SOUND ONLY AS AN EXCUSE...

Sorry to criticize SSDF, but I cannot lie or tell what I do not think.

SSDF can you hear me?

Ciao
Sandro


>You have still not played enough games. I give below an example of a match
>[40'/40] I have played over 100 games between Gandalf 4.32g and Program_X [I am
>a beta tester of X] to show what I mean:
>
>Gandalf 4.32g vs Program X
>
>Games 1-10
>3.0-7.0 [win program X]
>Total 3.0-7.0 for program X
>
>Games 11-20
>6.5-3.5 [win Gandalf]
>Total 9.5-10.5 for program X
>
>Games 21-30
>5.0-5.0 [draw]
>Total 14.5-15.5 for program X
>
>Games 31-40
>3.5-6.5 [win program X]
>Total 18.0-22.0 for program X
>
>Games 41-50
>4.5-5.5 [win program X]
>Total 22.5-27.5 for program X
>
>Games 51-60
>3.0-7.0 [win program X
>Total 25.5-34.5 for program X
>
>Games 61-70
>5.0-5.0 [draw]
>Total 30.5-39.5 for program X
>
>Games 71-80
>8.0-2.0 [win Gandalf]
>Total 38.5-41.5 for program X
>
>Games 81-90
>7.0-3.0 [win Gandalf]
>Total 45.5-44.5 for Gandalf
>
>Games 91-100
>5.5-4.5 [win Gandalf]
>Final match result 51.0-49.0 for Gandalf
>
>Can anybody tell me for sure which of the above two is the stronger program??
>And what about if I had only played a 20 games match and these games would have
>been those played in rounds 71-90? Then, the result would have been 15.0-5.0 in
>favour of Gandalf 4.32g!! Imagine what some testers would have argued about the
>strenght of program X?
>
>For all these reasons I think that something concrete about the strength between
>two programs can only be said if 100, better 200-300 games or even more have
>been played.
>
>Kurt



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