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Subject: Re: Chess Programmers -- take note: M. N. J. van Kervinck's Master's Thesis

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 08:52:06 08/21/02

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On August 21, 2002 at 10:04:53, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On August 21, 2002 at 08:27:44, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>Likewise it seems.
>
>Well, everything quoted so far supports my interpretation.

Your translations are rather liberal.

>>That is not what is meant by theoretical work in physics, perhaps elsewere.
>
>Well, it is actually mentioned in the rules. Perhaps by accident ;-).

For physics? Show me.

>>Yes, you should do that.
>
>Just a few quotes from a superficial examination (in Danish):
>
>"Mathematics, KU:
>Stk. 5
>
>Specialestudiet omfatter uddybende læsning eller undersøgelser samt indgående
>bearbejdning af et udvalgt matematisk emne. Sigtet er at udvikle den studerendes
>evner for selvstændigt matematisk arbejde gennem fordybelse i et emne."
>
>"Computer Science (2.9):
>
>Et speciale er et rapportdokumenteret arbejde på mellem 30 og 60 ECTS bedømt
>efter 13-skalaen. Specialet er et selvstændigt eksperimentelt og analytisk
>og/eller teoretisk studium af en eller flere problemstillinger i tilknytning til
>uddannelsens centrale fag. Specialet bør være det sidst udførte arbejde, men kan
>godt gennemføres tidligere."
>
>The list goes on. There's always a choice between experimental/analytical work
>and (a critical) theoretical study, or a combination. The key issue for a master
>thesis is independent nature of the study, which must be apparent in the thesis.
>Whether that is discernible in the Dutch thesis is a question for the censors,
>but the approach is valid according to Danish requirements. Just to repeat
>myself again.

First of all that is in mathematics, I'm not even sure they require a Master
project, rules change almost every year I think.
And please note that doing _original_ research in mathematics is very hard, you
can't really contribute here unless you are at PhD level. That is not the case
in physics or biochemistry, or in many other branches of science (computer
science as well probably). Any good supervisor can and will give you an
assignment noone has done before, so that you can't go out and find the answers
on the net.

Second, do you call making a compendium doing theoretical work, because it says
experimental, analytical or theoretical study. Personally wouldn't translate
that to: the construction of a compendium.

Whether the thesis is valid as a masters in DK depends on many things, the
requirements are rather vaguely defined and if you can find a supervisor to say
okay for your project then it's okay.
I just don't think a supervisor would do that in this case.
It needs a bit more substance, I saw 2-3 pages of real interesting stuff, the
rest is well known and just a compendium. Not a whole lot of work for 1 years
credit if you ask me.

Of course writing the program is a lot of work, it just isn't visuable in the
thesis. I guess it can be compared to experimental work, which also won't be
visuable in a thesis, however usually those doing experimental work can present
a lot more data.
After all we must assume he wrote the program for his thesis to _get the data_,
and not just for the fun of it, right ;)

Shine on,
-S.

>Regards,
>Mogens



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