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Subject: Re: Here are some actual numbers

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:02:34 04/13/03

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On April 12, 2003 at 23:29:18, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On April 11, 2003 at 23:26:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>First, I didn't say it did or it didn't.  I said that tests suggest that there
>>can be imbalances.
>>
>>Second, you found a result for _one_ test.  What about one that does a lot of
>>memory reads?  Memory writes?  Mixture?
>>
>>There are _lots_ of tests to do.
>
>Wow, Bob, you're getting quite a workout. First the furious handwaving about how
>the logical processors are imbalanced (Cray YMP this, Intel secrecy that) and
>now furious backpedaling.
>
>You have been criticizing people for "bad math" this entire thread. You rejected
>the notion of a 50%-50% division:
>
>"But I don't buy the 50% stuff, the cpu is not that simple internally.  One
>thread will run at nearly full speed and the other gets slipped into the gaps"
>
>and came up with this gem of idiocy:
>
>"If your NPS goes up by 10%, then with a 1.7x multiplier on two real cpus, the
>program should run 1.07X faster using SMT."

1 + 10% = 1.1   x (1.7 / 2.0 ) = 0.935 actual speedup

>And now you're trying to maintain that you never said the logical CPUs were
>necessarily unbalanced? Hilarious.

>What's even more hilarious is the way you argued your point--first saying that
>some guy came up with some numbers that I should look up (uh huh) and then
>saying you couldn't test this stuff yourself, when even a retarded 3rd grader
>could come up with a way to test it.
>
>Now you're saying my testing was incomplete? Yeah right. Any _moron_ can tell
>you that if you run a memory intesive program with a CPU intensive program, the
>CPU intensive program will get most of the CPU time, just like it utilizes most
>of the CPU on a system with one logical processor. These situations obviously
>don't need to be tested. The question at hand was logical CPU division for chess
>programs, where both threads have exactly the same performance characteristics.
>-Tom



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