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Subject: Re: Here are some actual numbers

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 20:29:18 04/12/03

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On April 11, 2003 at 23:26:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>First, I didn't say it did or it didn't.  I said that tests suggest that there
>can be imbalances.
>
>Second, you found a result for _one_ test.  What about one that does a lot of
>memory reads?  Memory writes?  Mixture?
>
>There are _lots_ of tests to do.

Wow, Bob, you're getting quite a workout. First the furious handwaving about how
the logical processors are imbalanced (Cray YMP this, Intel secrecy that) and
now furious backpedaling.

You have been criticizing people for "bad math" this entire thread. You rejected
the notion of a 50%-50% division:

"But I don't buy the 50% stuff, the cpu is not that simple internally.  One
thread will run at nearly full speed and the other gets slipped into the gaps"

and came up with this gem of idiocy:

"If your NPS goes up by 10%, then with a 1.7x multiplier on two real cpus, the
program should run 1.07X faster using SMT."

And now you're trying to maintain that you never said the logical CPUs were
necessarily unbalanced? Hilarious.

What's even more hilarious is the way you argued your point--first saying that
some guy came up with some numbers that I should look up (uh huh) and then
saying you couldn't test this stuff yourself, when even a retarded 3rd grader
could come up with a way to test it.

Now you're saying my testing was incomplete? Yeah right. Any _moron_ can tell
you that if you run a memory intesive program with a CPU intensive program, the
CPU intensive program will get most of the CPU time, just like it utilizes most
of the CPU on a system with one logical processor. These situations obviously
don't need to be tested. The question at hand was logical CPU division for chess
programs, where both threads have exactly the same performance characteristics.

-Tom



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