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Subject: Re: rebel10 bug?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:12:45 10/15/98

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On October 15, 1998 at 08:52:31, ed  wrote:

>I gave Rebel 15 min avg CPU time/move to analyze a complete game. But after 12
>1/2 moves, Rebel seems to be stuck. Even as I am writing this (on a diff PC btw)
>Rebel has been stuck in this particular postion for 14h 30m- 58 times longer
>than it is supposed to be.
>
>From previous experience with Rebel9, I know that Rebel can take as much as 8
>times longer than the preset avg CPU time, but 58+ times is somewhat ridiculous.
>I am now thinking that Rebel probably won't even stop computing now. It likes
>this position too much! :) (Hmmm..hash seems to be stuck at 91% for the longest
>time.)
>
>Anothing thing that I dont' understand is why does Rebel have to calculate twice
>for each particular move; one for the best move, one for the actual move played.
>Can it not assign a score for the actual move played while finding the best
>move? Is there an option to not score the actual move played, thereby speeding
>things up? After all, I dont' care how good/bad (probably bad) my move is. Very
>often, I just want to know what the best moves are. (Incidently, I wish that
>Rebel would list the top 3-5 moves in writing the analysis, and not just one.
>After all, the whole idea of analysis is to explore alternate moves, the what
>ifs...)
>


No it can't.  Alpha/beta doesn't produce a score for *every* move searched.  It
produces a score for the first (hopefully best) move and then only proves that
the score for every other move is lower, without determining how much lower.

It takes a second search to get the real score/PV for a second-best move...

>I also don't particularly understand why the combination isn't a workable option
>when analyzing a complete game. I would surely want Rebel to find tactical moves
>as fast as it can be it in a single position or in a complete game.
>
>PGN output (with move notes) for Rebel9 doesn't work with TASCBASE which can
>read PGN. Does anyone know if PGN from Rebel10 would work?
>
>Is Anti-GM also good for long analysis? 15 min or more/position?
>
>Overall, Rebel10 is an excellent program (best looking also), and I hope that
>Rebel for Windows would be even a further improvement. ( I heard that Rebel
>Windows that is coming out in 1 year's time would also be Rebel10? Shouldn't it
>not be Rebel11 by then?)



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