Author: Omid David Tabibi
Date: 04:56:37 08/12/04
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On August 12, 2004 at 03:28:58, Tony Werten wrote: >On August 11, 2004 at 17:25:14, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On August 11, 2004 at 14:36:50, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On August 11, 2004 at 11:54:44, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On August 11, 2004 at 09:43:18, Daniel Clausen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 11, 2004 at 09:42:04, gerold daniels wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>what is the best to program a chess game in. c.c++,c#. which is the easy one to >>>>>>learn and the best to program in. >>>>> >>>>>I predict you will get at least 4 different answers. ;) >>>> >>>>Here we go with one of them: >>>> >>>>For writing a chess engine you cannot expect to get a reasonably fast thing >>>>without using C/C++. And when using C++ try to avoid some expensive features of >>>>the language. Quoting Edsger Dijkstra: >>>> >>>>"Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which could only have >>>>originated in California." >>>> >>>>Of course I disagree with that, as there are many benefiots in OOP. But still, >>>>there is something in what he says :) >>>> >>>>If you are looking for easier languages (especially for building graphical user >>>>interfaces), Java and C# are reasonable options. Java has the advantage that it >>>>can run on any platform and is used by many major-league companies. On the other >>>>hand .NET framework will already be present in Longhorn Windows, which will ease >>>>the distribution of your programs. But at the moment, I would recommend Java >>>>over C#. >>>> >>>>Finally, unlike Jose, I would recommend you to stay away from Visual Basic, or >>>>any other thing that has the word BASIC in it. Again quoting Edsger Dijkstra: >>>> >>>>"It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have >>>>had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally >>>>mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." >>>> >>>>and >>>> >>>>"Teaching BASIC should be a criminal offense." >>>> >>>>Visual Basic is a very advanced language in comparison to the primitive BASIC, >>>>but still it does mentally mutilate you :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sargon >>> >>> That might be the reason why I'm mentally mutilated, as I first learnt BASIC >>>for the Amstrad (some centuries ago). >> >>I first learned BASIC too (actually QBASIC). And when I moved to C, my first >>programs were full of "goto". It took me some time to abandon such unhealthy >>BASIC habits. >> >>Nowadays Visual Basic is chosen for simplicity. But if my 13 years old sister >>could learn C with rather ease, then everyone can. The problem with C/C++ is >>that they don't provide an easy way for creating GUI (unlike Java, C#, Visual >>Basic, etc). That is the only advantage of Visual Basic over C for beginners. > >I have been playing with Visual C 2005 beta, and this argument isn't true >anymore. They copied the whole forms idea from Delphi. > >I always picked Delphi because it's the only fast language that can also easily >create a userinterface, but with the new Visual C this argument doesn't even >hold anymore. What is new in Visual C 2005? My latest MSVC is net2003, where they have introduced WindowsForms for C++, which is better structured than MFC, but nothing of interest for C. > >Tony > >> >> >> >>> But from my mutilated perspective, learning process takes place from simple to >>>difficult. Kids don't learn advanced mathematics before they learn to add and >>>substract. Learning function calls and recursion and strings with an intuitive >>>and friendly language like VB can't hurt IMO. Note that old BASIC was not >>>friendly and intuitive, and I wouldn't recommend it, but VB is really easy. >>> But I admit I'm not a teacher, and your experience is much more relevant than >>>mine. >>> The fact is that I can now program C, C++, Java, VB, BASIC, assembly, LISP, >>>PROLOG, SQL, Delphi... and I don't feel the order in which I learnt them put >>>extra difficulties in the learning process. >>> >>> José C.
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