Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 15:12:48 02/27/05
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On February 27, 2005 at 17:54:40, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 27, 2005 at 17:33:02, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On February 27, 2005 at 14:06:58, Peter Skinner wrote: >> >>>On February 27, 2005 at 07:17:44, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>Well, Vincent said that if an engine play Elo 3000 than the book is giving in >>>>these tournaments 700 points and the program is 2300 Elo strong. >>>> >>>>I do not think Diep is playing Elo 3000 so the Vincent's rule cannot be used. >>>> >>>>Sandro >>> >>>Diep wasn't even playing at a 2400 level at the IPCCC. >>> >>>With all the games (well all games that were actually posted) from the event and >>>using a start value of 2400, Diep scored: >>> >>>Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws >>> >>> 1 Hydra : 2810 239 220 9 88.9 % 2449 22.2 >>>% >>> 2 Shredder : 2715 320 296 9 83.3 % 2436 11.1 >>>% >>> 3 Gandalf : 2566 214 205 9 61.1 % 2488 33.3 >>>% >>> 4 Spike : 2499 267 247 9 61.1 % 2420 11.1 >>>% >>> 5 Nexus : 2455 292 292 7 50.0 % 2455 14.3 >>>% >>> 6 Ikarus : 2447 220 220 7 50.0 % 2447 42.9 >>>% >>> 7 Anaconda : 2436 207 207 9 50.0 % 2436 33.3 >>>% >>> 8 Jonny : 2428 207 207 9 50.0 % 2428 33.3 >>>% >>> 9 SOS : 2418 207 207 9 50.0 % 2418 33.3 >>>% >>> 10 The Baron : 2417 187 183 9 55.6 % 2378 44.4 >>>% >>> 11 Diep : 2397 187 183 9 55.6 % 2358 44.4 >>>% >>> 12 Neurologic : 2218 177 194 8 37.5 % 2307 50.0 >>>% >>> 13 Patzer : 2208 177 195 9 33.3 % 2329 44.4 >>>% >>> 14 Quark : 2169 205 229 9 27.8 % 2335 33.3 >>>% >>> 15 IsiChess : 2150 248 286 8 25.0 % 2341 25.0 >>>% >>> 16 Matador : 2041 173 291 9 16.7 % 2321 33.3 >>>% >> >>Rg. Titel Name Pkte Wtg. >>1 Hydra 8 44½ >>2 Shredder 7½ 43 >>3 Gandalf 5½ 47 >>4 Spike 5½ 42½ >>5 Ikarus 5 42 >>6 The Baron 5 39 >>7 Diep 5 37 >>8 Anaconda 4½ 44 >>9 SOS 4½ 43 >>10 Nexus 4½ 43 >>11 Johnny 4½ 43 >>12 Patzer 3 35½ >>13 Neurologic 3 34 >>14 Isichess 2½ 38½ >>15 Quark 2½ 36 >>16 Matador 1½ 36 >> >>http://wwwcs.upb.de/~IPCCC/IPCCC2005/r3.HTM >>According to the Official Standing Table of teh Tournament, Diep was seventh and >>not eleventh as you put in your table. > >The table is not officical standing table but performance table based on the >event and the assumption that the average rating is 2400 so I do not see the >problem with it. > >Diep played relatively weaker opponents(for example did not play hydra) so the 5 >that it scored may be considered as worse than 4.5 that scored other programs. > >> >>About your point, Diep was: >> >>1) 6th. in Paderborn 2004: http://wwwcs.upb.de/~IPCCC/IPCCC2004/ranking.html >>2) 4th. in 4th International CSVN Tournament: >>http://www.computerschaak.nl/ict4tour.html >>3) 3rd. in 12th World Computer Chess Championship 2004: >>http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/games/results.html >>4) 1st. in Dutch Open 2004: http://www.computerschaak.nl/docc04.html. >> >>They are all the Official Tables and they don´t say that Diep was under 2400 >>Elo. > >I agree that there is no proof for rating under 2400 > >Peter made the assumption that the average rating of the field is 2400 and the >only thing that I can say is that we do not know the average rating of the >field. > >> I do not see that your table is proving anything. > The typical Uri Blass.... If Peter made an assumption without the complete games and he put a 2400 elo as an initial value. It doesnt prove what a relative elo is. Correction for the person who doesnt read: That is not my table. It is the official table of Paderborn, Mr. Blass. The Skinner´s Table puts Diep in the _11th_ place when it got the 7th. place. You simply dont see because you dont read. >It certainly can prove nothing about rating. >It may only suggest that diep in 2005 did not perform better than the average of >the field(if the average of the field is 2400 then Diep's performance is 2397). > The suggestion doesnt say anything about the range of 700elo points. > > >> >>By the way, the current responsable of the Book is Erdogan. I have just pointed >>out the Diep performance for the year 2004. Less than 2400 Elo?!! :))) How could >>your table prove that? > >I do not see where peter mentioned the year 2004. Knowing that Diepeveen and Skinner are not in harmony, the message might say other thing. I pointed out several links that proves the Diep´s overall is not under 2400 as it was said. I pointed out official results, not a personal table. >He meant 2005. Because, you are alwaays in the area of suppositions and I dont know what the real sense of the table was, I just put the Diep performane in the current Tournament as well as over the year 2004. AO. PD: Only the moon can know what you tried to refute here. > >Uri
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