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Subject: Re: Human rating differential compared to Computer vs. computer

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 17:42:35 01/29/99

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On January 29, 1999 at 16:38:55, Matt Frank wrote:

>
>Diff W  L D
>300  2 12
>400  2 11 1
>500    9
>
>Out of the 2 wins and a draw at the 400 point differential, all 3 of them were
>from up and coming young turks whose ratings are lower than their playing
>ability. Of course, this is too small of a sample set to be taken seriously, but
>it does support my theory.
>
>KarinsDad
>
>Huh? If they are up and coming turks then that means by definition that the
>rating differetial is closer than 400, that does not support your contention,
>does it? In fact at an actual, stable (if this is so) 300 pt difference you
>would expect 8.5-1.5, at 400 9-1, and at 500 9.5-.5. Therefore at 300 the score
>is dead on with 2 wins and 12 losses = Higher rated .857 to lower rated .143,
>and for 400 pts diff, 2 wins and 11 losses and 1 draw we have Higher = .821 to
>lower .179, and you have already told us why, and for 500 pts difference we have
>9 losses compared to 9.5-.5 after 10, within the margin of error.
>
>Matt Frank

It supports my theory (in a limited way) since the table really should have
read:

Diff W  L D
250  2  ? 1
300  2 12
400    11
500     9

since the 2 young players in question are rated about 150 to 200 points below
their ability. Twenty games with a 400 to 500 differential resulted in (for all
intents and purposes) 0 wins. Not even a draw from a normal player. Obviously,
the sample set is WAY too small. I don't deny that. I was just curious as to
what had happened recently in some open tournaments. That's all.

KarinsDad

PS. What would a large enough sample set be? 500 games, 1000 games, 10,000
games? If at 10,000 games, you had 122 wins from the lower rated players with a
500 point differential when the formula predicts 500, would that be a
statistically large enough sample for you to understand that the formula does
not work at greater ranges?



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