Author: Mark Young
Date: 21:54:52 03/15/99
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On March 15, 1999 at 23:12:26, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On March 15, 1999 at 19:36:42, Mark Young wrote: > >>On March 15, 1999 at 19:05:34, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>On March 15, 1999 at 18:02:54, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On March 15, 1999 at 17:57:31, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 15, 1999 at 17:29:00, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hiarcs 7 has been banned from playing the other programs on the chess server >>>>>>Chess4You. I joined this chess server under the name DoomsDayMachine. After only >>>>>>11 games and a 11-0 score and a 2900+ rating. I was told by an admin that Hiarcs >>>>>>7 is too *strong* to play on the Chess4You server, and that Hiarcs 7's games >>>>>>would be resigned to bring Hiarcs 7's ratings back into line to what it should >>>>>>be, and Hiarcs 7 could no longer play the other programs.:) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Come on over to ICC where you'll get fierce competition and no silly rules. >>>> >>>>I am on the other chess server, and I have never had this happend before. BTW >>>>There is no rule on chess4You like this.:) until now. Here is the logic of the >>>>new rule. You can have a computer account, but if the program you are using wins >>>>to much, you can no longer use that program....... >>>>> >>>>>Peter >>>>> >>>>><snip> >>> >>>Perhaps one should e-mail them asking beforehand. "Excuse me I'm running Fritz 5 >>>on a PII-400. Is that too much or should I turn off the Turbo button? I do have >>>a version of Sargon III running on an Alpha 766Mhz but don't know how it fits >>>in. Please advise." >>> >>>Imagine what will happen if they get some strong GM blitz player. "Oh so sorry. >>>You have just won 20 straight games which is contrary to our special Victory >>>policy. Please restrain yourself in the future or take your winning ways >>>elsewhere." >>> >>> Albert Silver >> >>I did write the owner of the server after the fact, and remember this is a pay >>to play server which allows computer acounts. >> >>My E-mail to chess4you >>------------- >>Hello, >> >>My account name is Doomsdaymachine. I am not sure what kind of chess server >>you are trying to run, but I have never seen such a mess in my life as your >>server. Here is my problem, I joined your server and started playing games. >>I was >>playing Redbaron and Bulldozer. After about 11 games I get a message from >>'Checkonedo' your admin, saying I can no longer play those computer accounts >>because I am winning to much and messing up the ratings, and he will be >>resetting my rating back down to where it should be. When I tried to talk to >>'Checkonedo', he will not respond to me except by saying "stop playing the >>Chess4You computer accounts". I complained to the other admins online and >>they said they see no problem with me playing who ever I want, and "Winning >>is not a crime" Then when I start playing Bulldozer again, I see >>'Checkonedo' >>start observing my game, then a few seconds later my game resigns itself at >>move 10!!!!. I don't know what the problem is, but I will be sure to let >>everyone know to stay far away from your Chess server. >> >>Mark Young > > >My only question would be this: if you beat some program (or programs) 11 games >in a row, what would be the point in continuing to play them? It deflates their >rating, which means it will deflate anyone's rating that plays them. No this is not so, as you might know when you start a new account you don't change the other players rating much because you are provisional. So I'm not >sure of the 'point' of doing that, I played the strongest players on the server, I did not beat anyone program 11 times. and I can see why an admin would be >'interested' in that the rating pool certainly gets zapped. How can their rating pool be zapped, I played the strongest players and if hiarcs7 wins the games, then it should get that rating. Assuming the >program you played had actually 'earned' its rating by playing the players on >that server. If you beat it 11 games in a row I did not play one program, I just won 11 games in a row playing the strongest players. Human or computer. , you probably depress its rating No the other programs rating did not change much at all, because I was provisional. The admin was just upset because hiarcs7 keep on winning. >at least 200 points. which means that (assuming it is now 2200 when it was >2400) now anybody playing it is playing a 2400 player with a 2200 rating, and >_their_ rating is going to take a beating. Sorry wrong again, the programs I played were in the 2500+ range, and were still in the 2500+ range when the admin stopped me from playing them. > >Causing that kind of problem is _not_ what computer operators ought to want. I don't understand....I just got on the server, and I played the strongest players on the sever, if I would have lost games there would not be a problem..but hiarcs7 won...that caused the problem, there is no other way to look at it. >Because it is only going to lead to computers being banned one day. Computers beating other computers on servers will cause programs to be banned oneday....ok I see.... IE go try >to enter your program in a USCF event in the US. And find a tournament without >an (NC) limitation. What does this have to do with Hiarcs7 being banned from playing other programs a pay sever because it Won 11 game in a row. I played the stongest players on the server, hiarcs7 won the games, because it wins the games I should force Hiarcs7 to lose sometimes to keep from pissing of some jackass admin..... We are "tolerated" on the servers, because we provide >entertainment for a lot of GM players (and others that watch the games.) But >if we start generating a lot of complaints (hey that 2200 program is killing >2500 players and sucking their ratings down) then we won't be around very long. Bob you are just being silly...Stop it. What you are saying then is play on the chess servers, but don't play to well....or you might just piss off some human player. Do you think Crafty should be banned from playing other programs and players, even when the other accounts don't have a problem with it, and only because crafty is winning. I here you say that crafty has a 80 to 90 % score against some strong human players, should crafty be banned from playing those players just because crafty is winning? > >And the danger there is greater than any gain made by beating some program 11 >times. I played the strongest players on the server, Hiarcs7 won the games, those programs had a rating better then 2500+. There is no way in hell you can defend the action of this server after only 11 games. Hiarcs7 could lose any of those game or the games I would have played after. We want to be quite, unobtrusive, and continue our debugging/testing. >It won't take much to wreck that. It's already happened in tournament chess. >It could easily happen in server chess as well. Here is the logic, We can play on the servers, but we better dame well throw some games, or we all may be kicked off the server... If winning is being, not quite and obstrusive, then what is the point of testing online anymore if we must throw games...... > >Just an opinion... as many servers already are considering (or already have >implemented) restrictions on what computers can do, to stop the computer vs >computer stuff (or at least slow it down.) If the servers want to do this, that fine, but don't be a pay site and take peoples money and accounts and banned them from playing just because they are running a strong program.... When they have no rules against it and when they allow computer accounts on the server, and there are other computer accounts on the server. Did you write a response to this posting to be silly, or just to counter my posting even when you don't have a clue to what happend as seen from your response? Mark Young
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