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Subject: Re: about rating in ICC.

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 08:20:54 06/30/99

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On June 30, 1999 at 10:51:27, KarinsDad wrote:

>On June 30, 1999 at 10:21:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 30, 1999 at 09:46:06, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On June 30, 1999 at 08:52:59, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 30, 1999 at 08:27:30, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think that there should be competitions when everyone must agree to play
>>>>>everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rating of players should be based *only* on the results of these competitions.
>>>>>
>>>>>players who refuse to compete for a long time should have no rating.
>>>>>players who win a competition(except the winner of the strongest competition)
>>>>>can play next time in a competition of better rated players when players who
>>>>>lose will play next time in a competition of worse players.
>>>>
>>>>I don't like this idea, and fortunately it has zero chance of happening:
>>>>
>>>>People pay good money to play on ICC, having your rating calculated is a valued
>>>>part of the service provided.  The rules you suggest would obviously make it
>>>>much less convenient for the majority of people to play rated games, therefore
>>>>they would be less likely to shell out their subscription money.  Hmm, I wonder
>>>>if the nice folks at ICC want to drastically decrease their income?
>>>
>>>It is possible to have 2 rating systems.
>>>
>>>The reason for my idea is that I find that the rating is misleading if people
>>>can avoid playing specific opponents.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>I don't see how this can be helped.  It has happened in human rating systems
>>since Elo hatched the idea.  we have 'sandbaggers' (those who keep their rating
>>low so they can win class prizes in a class lower than they should be playing
>>in) and those with inflated ratings because they 'pick' their events to play
>>in.  Always have had 'em... probably always will.
>>
>>ICC is _huge_.  There is no way to 'enforce' what you suggest, because there is
>>no way to have an event with 50,000 players at one time.  So the problem will
>>_always_ exist there...
>
>I don't know. It sounds feasible to me.
>
>There are currently ratings for Blitz and Standard chess. Why not have a rating
>for Tournament Blitz and Tournament Standard chess? The deflation/inflation
>problems will still be there to some extent, but not NEARLY as much as currently
>since if you join a tournament, you will have no control over who you play (of
>course, people could still cheat, but that's life).
>
>I do not agree with the original assertion that refusing to play would remove
>your rating. However, the rest of the idea has merit. And, you could even list
>the number of tournament games played:
>
>Joe Blow TS 2137 45 means that Joe has a tournament standard rating of 2137
>after 45 games.
>
>KarinsDad :)

Would somebody pleas explain to me why these ratings are needed? I'm quite sure
that I have a very narrow focus on the whole thing, but I really don't see what
they are being used for. If it's a marketing thing, then it does not seem to
apply well to most programs?-most of which are not comercial as I see it.

Pete



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