Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:11:13 01/28/00
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On January 28, 2000 at 06:09:13, Chris Carson wrote:
>On January 28, 2000 at 03:22:28, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2000 at 22:17:53, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On January 27, 2000 at 21:32:07, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 21:18:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>[snip]
>>>>{regarding DB support}:
>>>>>This is an unforgivable sin here or anywhere else. I think it quite funny
>>>>>that (a) folks wonder why Hsu doesn't post here; and then (b) attack anything
>>>>>they do as inferior.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have said this before... They are far better than anybody (other than maybe
>>>>>myself and a couple of others) give them credit for. Just continue to watch
>>>>>the analysis of the DB logs. We suddenly discover that (a) they are searching
>>>>>a lot deeper than some kept thinking; (b) their branching factor is actually
>>>>>not much worse than the rest of us; (c) etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best to wait and watch. Lots more will come out over time... But the
>>>>>naysayers will _never_ be silenced...
>>>>
>>>>I find it very puzzling the huge amount of absolute hostility towards Deep Blue
>>>>[and HERE of all places]!
>>>>
>>>>The last match was 1997. That's about 3 years ago, and we still talk about it
>>>>almost daily. Nothing comes even remotely close to being as interesting as the
>>>>Deep Blue match. Nothing has ever generated the publicity for computer chess
>>>>like the Deep Blue match.
>>>>
>>>>And yet people are clearly *angry* at the Deep Blue team. Is there some sort of
>>>>history that would explain it? I keep feeling that I have walked late into a
>>>>movie and everyone is panning the hero, who seems like such a nice guy.
>>>>
>>>>Most amazing of all are the sort of persons who are irate. Almost always
>>>>incredibly intelligent computer science types.
>>>>
>>>>*boggle*
>>>
>>>It's human nature. Remember that the last DB news wasn't three years ago but 3
>>>weeks ago. Until this news, there had been at least two hopes, however remote:
>>>
>>>- DB would somehow and somewhen be taken off the shelf and play another titanic
>>>match against Kasparov (or anyone)
>>>
>>>- DB would be made available to all as a PC card.
>>>
>>>DB was by far the strongest chess playing machine ever built. Nothing came
>>>remotely close (except for its own predecessors). And now we are told clearly
>>>that neither will ever happen and Hsu has gone off to greener pastures. Nothing
>>>wrong with this, EXCEPT that Hyatt has made it clear that it is his belief that
>>>NO ONE will reach that level for another decade because all of its secrets are
>>>locked away. Everyone, including the programmers, feels deeply cheated. NO DB
>>>and much worse: no way to build on DB so to get there you have to start from
>>>scratch. This is simply terrible. It wasn't destroyed, the designers didn't die,
>>>and the blueprints still exist; they are just locked away, and since Hsu has the
>>>key, he is the butt of the anger. So the reaction is understandable: rather than
>>>accept this, many would prefer to tear it down so the pain is lessened. If you
>>>can believe it will only take 5 years to get there, it seems less tragic. That's
>>>what I believe this is all about.
>>
>>Maybe the fact that they don't play is part of the game?
>>
>>Ed
>>
>
>Ed, that is my frustration, although I understand why
>they limited play before the match, I am confused about not using
>DBjr after the match with the SSDF or Computer tournament. There
>is a financial conponent, as well as a reputation component. :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson
There is also this pretty important person with the title "Vice president of
marketing." _HE_ makes all the decisions about P/R activities.
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