Author: Chris Carson
Date: 03:09:13 01/28/00
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On January 28, 2000 at 03:22:28, Ed Schröder wrote:
>On January 27, 2000 at 22:17:53, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2000 at 21:32:07, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On January 27, 2000 at 21:18:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>{regarding DB support}:
>>>>This is an unforgivable sin here or anywhere else. I think it quite funny
>>>>that (a) folks wonder why Hsu doesn't post here; and then (b) attack anything
>>>>they do as inferior.
>>>>
>>>>I have said this before... They are far better than anybody (other than maybe
>>>>myself and a couple of others) give them credit for. Just continue to watch
>>>>the analysis of the DB logs. We suddenly discover that (a) they are searching
>>>>a lot deeper than some kept thinking; (b) their branching factor is actually
>>>>not much worse than the rest of us; (c) etc.
>>>>
>>>>Best to wait and watch. Lots more will come out over time... But the
>>>>naysayers will _never_ be silenced...
>>>
>>>I find it very puzzling the huge amount of absolute hostility towards Deep Blue
>>>[and HERE of all places]!
>>>
>>>The last match was 1997. That's about 3 years ago, and we still talk about it
>>>almost daily. Nothing comes even remotely close to being as interesting as the
>>>Deep Blue match. Nothing has ever generated the publicity for computer chess
>>>like the Deep Blue match.
>>>
>>>And yet people are clearly *angry* at the Deep Blue team. Is there some sort of
>>>history that would explain it? I keep feeling that I have walked late into a
>>>movie and everyone is panning the hero, who seems like such a nice guy.
>>>
>>>Most amazing of all are the sort of persons who are irate. Almost always
>>>incredibly intelligent computer science types.
>>>
>>>*boggle*
>>
>>It's human nature. Remember that the last DB news wasn't three years ago but 3
>>weeks ago. Until this news, there had been at least two hopes, however remote:
>>
>>- DB would somehow and somewhen be taken off the shelf and play another titanic
>>match against Kasparov (or anyone)
>>
>>- DB would be made available to all as a PC card.
>>
>>DB was by far the strongest chess playing machine ever built. Nothing came
>>remotely close (except for its own predecessors). And now we are told clearly
>>that neither will ever happen and Hsu has gone off to greener pastures. Nothing
>>wrong with this, EXCEPT that Hyatt has made it clear that it is his belief that
>>NO ONE will reach that level for another decade because all of its secrets are
>>locked away. Everyone, including the programmers, feels deeply cheated. NO DB
>>and much worse: no way to build on DB so to get there you have to start from
>>scratch. This is simply terrible. It wasn't destroyed, the designers didn't die,
>>and the blueprints still exist; they are just locked away, and since Hsu has the
>>key, he is the butt of the anger. So the reaction is understandable: rather than
>>accept this, many would prefer to tear it down so the pain is lessened. If you
>>can believe it will only take 5 years to get there, it seems less tragic. That's
>>what I believe this is all about.
>
>Maybe the fact that they don't play is part of the game?
>
>Ed
>
Ed, that is my frustration, although I understand why
they limited play before the match, I am confused about not using
DBjr after the match with the SSDF or Computer tournament. There
is a financial conponent, as well as a reputation component. :)
Best Regards,
Chris Carson
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