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Subject: Re: How many possible moves in one position?

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 11:12:30 12/07/97

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On December 07, 1997 at 14:01:13, Don Dailey wrote:

>On December 07, 1997 at 13:41:03, Jari Huikari wrote:
>
>>On December 07, 1997 at 13:14:54, Don Dailey wrote:
>>
>>>>Could you tell me what is the maximum number of legal moves in a
>>>>chess game position?
>>>>A) In theory?
>>>>B) In practice?
>>
>>
>>>I don't believe this is known.  It might be fun to make a contest
>>>out of this though.  Can somone post a position with a high number
>>>of legal moves?   And the rest of us will try to better this?
>>
>>>The rules are:
>>
>>>1)  Must be a fully legal position, (no more than 9 queens for
>>>instance.)
>>>2)  Post in FEN.
>>
>>I think that some chess programmers must have thought this question some
>>time.
>>
>>I remember a 'mate in one'-position having 175 or so legal moves. Over
>>100
>>of them were mates.
>>
>>Perhaps someone has statistics from 'real' games. BTW: What's the
>>average
>>number of moves precisely? I know it's about 30, maybe a little more.
>>(In
>>middlegame anyhow.)
>>I already know, that minimum is zero (in mate or stalemate. :-)
>>
>>(I _may_ have some use for these information in my new program.)
>>
>>					Jari
>
>I'm using my program to search for NORMAL positions with lots of legal
>moves.
>
>I'm sure I can do much better but to kick this off, can someone beat
>65?   I know it's possible to find positions with over 100.
>
>Pehaps some modification of the 8 queens solution will give us a
>nice lower bound on the most "complicated" position.
>
>Don
>
>
>3r2k1/1p3ppp/p4P2/P3r3/1P3nPP/5RQ1/2q5/R6K b - -    ; 65 legal moves.
>
>P.S.  I haven't checked this for accuracy yet.

Q6Q/4Q3/1Q6/5Q2/2Q5/R5Q1/3Q2NN/1R3KBk w - -    ; 195 moves.

I'm sure is improvable.

Enrique

>Don



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