Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:17:02 10/23/00
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On October 23, 2000 at 09:43:49, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On October 23, 2000 at 09:28:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>I hate to throw water on your parade, but you are attempting to create a second >>"urban legend" without knowing what you are talking about. GT and CSTal have >>exactly _nothing_ in common. GT has larger-than-life king safety scores. That >>is all. No different search paradigm or anything else. >> >>Let's keep this out of the world of science fiction and in the range of >>programming fact. It isn't the second-coming of CSTal, with a more accurate >>search. It is a program with an evaluation that is tuned differently. It is >>_still_ the same "bean counter" has always been, just some of the 'beans' are >>now larger than others. >> >>Back to reality... > >How good some people are informed... :-))) >How do you know that gambit-tiger is the same bean counter as crafty is, >only with some bigger beans :-)) Maybe because CT said so in a post he wrote here? statement said "search in GT and T is the same..." Q.E.D. > > >Maybe i should switch the autoplayer from gandalf into crafty this evening... >lets wait until it is on the market and others have to adapt. >I did not say that it is the seconde coming of cstal. >i said it is the ideas of chris that are partly considered again now. > I don't think there is a single idea from CST in GT. Why? The author of CST never gave _any_ details on what he was doing. Just hand-waving, smoke, mirrors, feelings, puffery... There were other programs that played wildly, dating back to the superconstellation from Kittinger. >We have 3 programs, or maybe 4. > >CSTal >Gandalf >Gambit-Tiger I know that CST is "lonely" but why group others with it, and say that they are based on common ideas? That is one giant stretch for computer chess. > >maybe others will follow. > >we will see. >of course the programmers have developed their king-attack beasts all by >themselves. Chris alone in britain a few years ago... steen in denmark and >christophe in guadeloupe. >But they are maybe the critical mass of a reaction that will explode in the near >future. > >of course they all have different searchers. cstal a very slow one, gandalf a >little more NPS than hiarcs, and gambit-tiger with the highest NPS of all three. >But in the result of that experiment, in the games, they play pretty much the >same. It could also be that others, not yet known, have similar approaches... > > >you can call it tuning. i am not worried. this will not stop >development/anything anymore. > >call it SF, i have no problems with this. SF often is realized. sometimes >(George Orwell) too soon, other times (StarTrek) not soon enough.
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