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Subject: Re: Junior 7 Plays Anand's Novelty in Morozevich, Anand. 11.....Be7!!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:26:21 07/12/01

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On July 12, 2001 at 22:33:51, odell hall wrote:

>Who says computers have the positional understanding of a 2100??? In the game
>Junior 7 finds the Novelty played by Anand 11...Be7!! at  about 1 min at depth
>15 on my Thunderbird 1000, previous moves which has been played in this position
>are 11...nf6, bb7, h6.  I tested a few other programs, (fritz, gambit tiger)
>they were unable to find the move.  I am not 100% sure it is the best, but if
>Anand plays it, there has to definitely be something to it. Listening to the
>commentary I notice no one expected this move. How stupid can computers be to
>find a purely positional move that annand plays???
>
>
>Morozevich,A - Anand,V
[D]r1b1k2r/2qp1ppp/p3pn2/1p2n3/1b1BP3/1NN2P2/PPPQ2PP/2KR1B1R b kq - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Junior 7:
>
>11...h5 12.Qg5
>  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>11...Nc6 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Qh6 Bxc3
>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
>11...Nc6 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Qh6 Bxc3
>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
>11...Nc6 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Qh6 Bxc3
>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
>11...Nc6 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Qh6 Bxc3 14.bxc3 Bb7
>  ±  (0.74)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  56kN
>11...h6 12.a3 Be7 13.f4 Nc4 14.Qf2 Bb7
>  =  (0.17)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  88kN
>11...h6 12.a3 Bd6 13.Be3 Be7 14.Bf4 b4 15.axb4 Bxb4 16.Be2
>  =  (0.16)   Depth: 12   00:00:01  698kN
>11...0-0 12.a3 Bd6 13.Be3 Be7 14.Bf4 b4 15.axb4 Bxb4 16.Be2 Bxc3
>  =  (0.08)   Depth: 12   00:00:04  2991kN
>11...0-0 12.a3 Bd6 13.Bxb5 Bb7 14.Bf2 Bxa3 15.bxa3 Rfc8 16.Bc5 axb5 17.Nxb5 Qb8
>  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 15   00:00:17  12443kN
>11...h6 12.a3 Bd6 13.Bb6 Qxb6 14.Qxd6 Qxd6 15.Rxd6 Ke7 16.Rd1 Nc6 17.Be2
>  =  (0.16)   Depth: 15   00:00:24  17059kN
>11...Be7 12.Qf2 b4 13.Na4 d6 14.Nb6 Rb8 15.Nxc8 Qxc8 16.Be3 d5
>  =  (0.02)   Depth: 15   00:01:05  46644kN

Look at the score, it is 0.02.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement...

>(hall, denver 12.07.2001)

Here's crafty's take:
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [e:\crafty\release/books.bin].
hash table memory = 192M bytes.
pawn hash table memory = 80M bytes.
EGTB cache memory = 32M bytes.
draw score set to    0.00 pawns.
choose from book moves randomly (using weights.)
choose from 5 best moves.
book learning enabled
result learning enabled
position learning enabled
threshold set to 9 pawns.
5 piece tablebase files found
19045kb of RAM used for TB indices and decompression tables

Crafty v18.10

White(1): st 999
search time set to 999.00.
White(1): setboard r1b1k2r/2qp1ppp/p3pn2/1p2n3/1b1BP3/1NN2P2/PPPQ2PP/2KR1B1R b
kq - 0 1
Black(1):
              puzzling over a move to ponder.
              clearing hash tables
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
Black(1): O-O [pondering]
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
go
Black(1): go
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
                6->   0.37   0.61   1. ... O-O 2. a3 Be7 3. Qg5 Nc4 4.
                                    Kb1
                7     0.59   0.62   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 d6 3. a3 h6 4. Qe3
                                    Bxc3 5. Qxc3
                7->   0.92   0.62   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 d6 3. a3 h6 4. Qe3
                                    Bxc3 5. Qxc3
                8     1.41   0.63   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 b4 4.
                                    Na4 Bb7 5. Nac5
                8->   2.50   0.63   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 b4 4.
                                    Na4 Bb7 5. Nac5
                9     3.49   0.66   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 h6 4.
                                    Qe3 Bb7 5. f4 Nfg4
                9->   5.42   0.66   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 h6 4.
                                    Qe3 Bb7 5. f4 Nfg4
               10     9.56   0.71   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 d6 3. a3 Bxc3 4.
                                    Bxc3 h6 5. Qf4 Bb7 6. Ba5 Qc6
               10    44.82   0.67   1. ... Ng6 2. Qe3 O-O 3. e5 Nh5 4.
                                    a3 Be7 5. Qe4 Bg5+ 6. Kb1 Bb7
               10->  50.94   0.67   1. ... Ng6 2. Qe3 O-O 3. e5 Nh5 4.
                                    a3 Be7 5. Qe4 Bg5+ 6. Kb1 Bb7
               11     1:10   0.81   1. ... Ng6 2. Qe3 Bb7 3. a3 Bd6 4.
                                    g3 Be5 5. Bxe5 Nxe5 6. f4 Nc4 7. Qd4
               11     2:01   0.73   1. ... Be7 2. Qf2 Ng6 3. Bb6 Qe5 4.
                                    g3 b4 5. Bd4 Qb8 6. Na4 Qc7
               11     2:11   0.67   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 b4 4.
                                    Na4 h6 5. Qe3 Re8 6. f4 Nfg4
               11->   2:21   0.67   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 b4 4.
                                    Na4 h6 5. Qe3 Re8 6. f4 Nfg4
               12     2:42   0.71   1. ... O-O 2. Qg5 Bd6 3. Kb1 h6 4.
                                    Qe3 Nc4 5. Qf2 e5 6. Bxc4 exd4 7. Bd5
               12     4:31   0.66   1. ... Be7 2. f4 Nc4 3. Bxc4 bxc4 4.
                                    Na1 O-O 5. Be5 Qc5 6. Bd6 Bxd6 7. Qxd6
                                    Qe3+ 8. Qd2 Ng4
               12->   5:49   0.66   1. ... Be7 2. f4 Nc4 3. Bxc4 bxc4 4.
                                    Na1 O-O 5. Be5 Qc5 6. Bd6 Bxd6 7. Qxd6
                                    Qe3+ 8. Qd2 Ng4
               13     6:00   1/45*  1. ... Be7

Do the scores or trajectories show that either of these programs has GM
positional understanding?




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