Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:17:20 09/13/02
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On September 13, 2002 at 11:16:07, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 13, 2002 at 11:06:57, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On September 13, 2002 at 10:56:10, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On September 13, 2002 at 10:38:17, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>>I disagree. >>>>>Most of the population of chess programs is clearly weaker than the top >>>>>programs. >>>>> >>>>>Gnuchess is losing against crafty even if you give gnuchess hardware that is 10 >>>>>times faster if the time control is slow enough and gnuchess is not a weak >>>>>program but at the level of the average amateur. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I agree. This was chapter one though. Seems fair enough that GNU which has no >>>>clue about endgames, tablebases, not even GM books, and then being amateur, is >>>>weaker than Crafty. Was GNU ever tuned on Crafty? I mean if I would take GNU as >>>>a pro I would make at least 8th place in SSDF out of it. But actually we are >>>>comparing apples and beans. GNU is not of "this" world now. BTW I played >>>>SIBIRIAN, for that nice prog I promissed you the same! Implement all the modern >>>>stuff and it will play billy bully with FRITZ, I suppose. Not even needing >>>>tablebases. Cough. >>>> >>>>Rolf Tueschen >>> >>>I have to disagree again. >>>I do not know how the book of gnuchess was build but it is not so bad and it has >>>a lot of variety. >>> >>>I do not think that gnu lose games because of book. >>>Tablebases are also not very important. >>> >>>Gnu is going to lose also against list inspite of the fact that list has no book >>>and not because of tablebases advantage. >>> >>>Gnu need better search rules and better evaluation in order to be in the same >>>level of the top programs. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Again I must agree. Since all modern progs are founded on these free (?) sources >>by defintion they are stronger. How could they be weaker? That is the same with >>the pro's which were all founded in parts on CRAFTY. How could CRAFTY still be >>stronger? > >The pro are not based on crafty and crafty clearly has knowledge that most pro >do not have. > >It is not easy to understand crafty and to implement the knowledge that in it >about hash tables and about other things. > >Programmers usually prefer to develop their program and not to try to understand >everything crafty. should be everything in crafty. Uri
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