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Subject: Re: The "specially sausage" Fighter!

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 14:20:44 09/24/02

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On September 24, 2002 at 16:45:45, Peter Berger wrote:

>On September 24, 2002 at 13:06:16, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>On September 24, 2002 at 12:35:18, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>>Maybe it should be mentioned that this list includes the current worldchampion
>>>and the number 1 and 2 of the Swedish SSDF list.
>>>
>>>Quantity isn't everything, there is also quality to think about.
>>
>>Not for me!
>>For me is every work on an engine the same work.
>>Knightx or Shredder ... no different for me!
>
>There _are_ differences. Let's take Tamerlane and Fritz. I agree with your
>respect for the programmer of Tamerlane but it doesn't make sense to claim that
>they represent the same kind of quality IMHO.

Sorry Peter, no different for me.
MFChess or Fritz, engine is engine!
I will not speak from Quality, only from playing strength and playing style. All
engines have a high quality for me.

>The WinBoard standard's main purpose from the programmer view is that you can
>hook your engine to a useable GUI with reasonable effort without writing your
>own IMHO.

Different views but in fact we have a nice standard.

>If there would be little need to use all engines for users, then there were also
>little need to use them all in the same GUI.

I hope I understand you.
The question is more that users of chess programs have different favorits GUI.
So I believe that all groups of users must added every engine.

>But why would anyone want to do that? If you bought a commercial full-featured
>GUI where you can use all your beloved engines - why would you want to use them
>is another inferior GUI ? I agree to the exception of the ChessBase GUIs when it
>is about their miserable WinBoard support. But if you owned say Shredder and
>wanted to use UCI engines and you are no part of another development team - do
>you really think you would be much interested to run them in say Arena?

Please speak not from Arena.
I know Martin Blume since end of the year 2001.
I wrote the same now 4 years.
This have not to do with Arena, not very nice what you write Peter.

Inferior GUI?
What is a inferior GUI, please give me an example?

>Sure, if he bought Chess Tiger he could play matches against Ruffian just fine.

Yes, possible!
And can I also play with Chess Tiger under WinBoard?
Tiger is only compatible to itself, in the case from ChessTiger also to
ChessBase and Chess-Assitant. Do you mean that a Winboarder which have interest
on Chess Tiger buy now this software :-)

>I'm not dumb, I simply disagree.

Please, no problem for me!

>>>Another aspect: it is nice to get strong engines for free but for me it is also
>>>OK to pay some money for a high quality product.
>>
>>Hight quality product?
>>Now I understand you!
>>
>>For me are all chess engines hight qualtiy products and so you understand not my
>>messags. In this case you have right!
>
>ROTFL, it's definitely strange to be accused of being against amateur engines :)
>
>Maybe I should try to explain it in a different way. Yesterday I read all the
>cool messages about Ruffian and that it is availlable for download which I did
>right away.
>
>I was eager to use it as sparring partner for an UCI engine that needed some
>challenge.
>
>First I tried to set it up using the autoplayer by Rémi Coloun as a WinBoard
>engine that is quite a reliable tool usually.
>Ruffian didn't ponder correctly and there were decent problem with its time
>management.
>Studying the logfiles I came to the conclusion that there is a problem with
>Ruffian in this setup.
>
>So I decided to set it up as an UCI engine in Shredder instead. The game started
>just fine but after book was left the engine just went on and on thinking until
>it lost on time and never moved.
>
>This is no problem at all. I thought: "well, as I am currently not into
>beta-testing Ruffian I'll wait just a little" and continued to read and enjoy
>all the great results on the message boards.
>
>This afternoon I bought an upgrade to ChessTiger 15 that I have not yet
>installed.
>
>If anything like the above happened I'd be furious as I payed good money for it
>so I expect high quality and reliability. Also I wouldn't want to have to
>download additional tools for an autoplayer setup in the first play - I expect
>that everyhing is well tested and just fine and comfortable.
>
>Also the engine is expected to be nearly flawless of course.
>
>Cause I am an ordinary user here. I want to play chess with the product - I want
>that the programmers thought for me and made everything just perfect and
>comfortable.
>
>And I want the CP GUI to work fine and do just what it says in the manual.
>
>It's different worlds, Frank - and I tend to like both of them.
>
>Peter

The Chess Partner GUI is not perfect. Try hash settings with UCI engines.
Problems with load and unload engines. Chess Partner is a nice and really good
GUI (see my messages about this GUI in FCP Forum ... I wrote this for 4-6 weeks
...) but also Chess Partner is not perfect and this is good. No software is
perfect, no engine an no GUI.

Best
Frank



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