Author: Larry S. Tamarkin
Date: 14:19:56 09/06/98
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I just want to empasize one point; Bye and large, I agree that in this CCC, moderation is useful and even desirable. I really have little problem with who has been thrown out or reasons they are not allowed back in. But I do feel that the methodolgy used may not be the best, and is why I suggested the 1 month, 3 month and 1 year suspension concept, in order to reduce, but not entirely 'delete' poor behaver and posting. Yes, I know its risky letting more 'noise' back into this forum, but it also creates a system that is more free to disidant viewpoints within reason. (Sean Evans or insert name...), should not have to apologise to anyone using this system, even if they are entirely wrong. The suspension itself, creates the apology. Besides, it always requires at least a little analysis to determin to what degree they are wrong. I think the present system whereby the moderaters decide that they will ban offending posters, while easier to enact and maintain, creates the impression that they themselves will ban whoever they don't like for good, and that if they want back 'in', they have to come with their figurative tail between their legs - and that hardly encourages people to comunicate itelligently. Lawrence S. Tamarkin mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! On September 06, 1998 at 16:36:14, Serge Desmarais wrote: >On September 06, 1998 at 16:12:46, Don Dailey wrote: > >>On September 06, 1998 at 15:11:40, mick adams wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 1998 at 22:58:44, Robert Henry Durrett wrote: >>> >>>>On September 05, 1998 at 03:19:38, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>>>>Go over to r.g.c.c. and read Sean's stuff, Larry, and you tell me if this group >>>>>could use another dose of Sean Evans. >>>> >>>>Right now, it seems that r.g.c.c. is the place where chess computer people go to >>>>vent their feelings. I guess we need a place like that, or we will all go crazy >>>>[???]. A pity it has to be there, but it apparently needs to be somewhere. I >>>>guess. >>>> >>>>I really hate it when I get up in the morning, download the new bulletins on >>>>r.g.c.c., r.g.c.a, and r.g.c.m., am delighted to find fifty or more unread >>> >>> >>>What you say above,is nonsense,if you wish to censor your computer,feel >>>free,censoring individuals,for whatever reason,who freely submit to internet >>>communication,is something else.Censoring implies we are not mature enough to >>>make our own minds up,and that sucks,in my view. Micky. >> >> >>On this newsgroup, you enter by choice AND BY AGREEMENT that you will >>honor the rules and knowing that if you do not your posts will be >>removed. This was an agreement YOU made when you signed up. And >>this is also a CHOICE people have the right to make. >> >>It sounds like you question peoples right to choose whether they >>want to be on a moderated newsgroup. But there have been many times >>that people have either posted, or remarked to us by email that they >>LOVE being able to come to this group and talk FREELY about computer >>chess without all the bad stuff. Why is this a bad thing? And >>why would you want to infringe on their freedom to have this? >> >> >>- Don > > > In any THEMATIC meeting, conference or group, you have to try to stick on the >topic or theme. If I go to a conference about the civil rights in the third >world and I start talking about astronomy on the stage, there is something wrong >and the president or organizer of the reunion would remind me that I am out of >order. But I agree that sometimes people could be somewhat off topic, still >having some tenuous links with the main subject. > > > I do not know what happened with Sean Evans in here, as he was banned BEFORE >I became a member and I don't feel to search for his previous posts. What I do >know is that several months ago, I left r.g.c.c. because the majority of the >posts were about someone accusing other persons of being nazis/neo-nazis and >there were replies and counter accusations and so on as if it would never end. >And it was not possible to find out what were these posts subjects by the >headings (which were about chess and computers!) and so you had to open them and >read a few lines to know. As I know, others had left too, at the time. > > > Now, I see that the atmosphere is much better in r.g.c.c., but it is like >much less people are posting there, now. Something has been lost in all the >fights and personnal accusations. That is why I do agree that a moderator is >needed in here to avoid such a thing to ever happen again. Using crude language >and "bird's names" will never make you sayings more true nor valid. I think that >no matter the medium of communication that is used, a basic politeness and >respect is a minimum. > > > >Serge Desmarais
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