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Subject: Re: What Was Deep Thought's ICC Rating??

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:26:53 03/21/03

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On March 21, 2003 at 11:13:39, Chris Carson wrote:

>On March 21, 2003 at 10:20:53, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 21, 2003 at 08:17:32, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On March 20, 2003 at 23:32:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 20, 2003 at 19:19:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 20, 2003 at 18:57:55, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 20, 2003 at 17:07:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's always interesting to read your short snippets about the history of
>>>>>>computer chess. So when are you going to do us all a favor and write a book? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It was named "scratchy".  It had the best win/lose record of anything that ever
>>>>>>>played on
>>>>>>>ICC.  Something like 130 wins, 1 loss or some such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even with all of the rating addicts who no-play other computers, no computer has
>>>>>>surpassed this mark?
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that it is easy to surpass that mark.
>>>>>
>>>>>You only need to have friends that you can always beat and set a formula to play
>>>>>only against your friends.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not if almost all the opponents are GM players.  :)
>>>
>>>Hmm, wonder how DT would do against todays "inflated" GM's whe have better
>>>anti-computer experience and knowledg?
>>
>>I'd suspect it would do the same as it did back then.  The people that played it
>>a lot already
>>knew a lot about anti-computer play and they knew how dangerous the machine was.
>>
>>> Also wonder how DT would do against
>>>players who use 1Ghz or faster comps/programs to help if they played DT today?
>>
>>No idea.  Most of the DT games on the chess server were 2 12 type games, so
>>using
>>a computer to help the human would be doable...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I am sure that DT would not be 130 points higher than anyone or thing on ICC
>>>today.  DT was ancient history and so was DB, good in their day, but that day is
>>>past.  You can see DBII at the Smithsonian here in DC.  It is gone and in a
>>>museum with all the other old relics.  ;)
>>
>>The atomic bombs are "relics of the past" as well.
>>
>>But don't screw around with those relics.  There's nothing else close to them,
>>60 years after
>>they were created.  :)
>>
>>Old != obsolete.
>
>I do not think DT would do as well today, not even close.  The Nukes of 60 years
>ago were very dangerous, however, they are not even close to the strength of
>todays bombs or even bombs from the mid 1950's.  Technology moves foward.  DT
>was great in it's day, but that day is gone.  You can see it for free here in DC
>and go across the street and see the airplanes/bombs from the 1940's (still
>dangerous) to the 1990's (very dangerous, no comparison, all obsolete).  Same
>for the Dino's (dangerous, but obsolete).  :)
>
>old technology != current technology strength/destruction/performance


That's a serious mistake to make.  Back in my active Karate days, when we had an
annual state event, there was one "old geezer" that was always there competing
in
the 3-4 degree black belt group.  And several used to comment about "jeez, hope
I don't
draw him for a match, but I'll try to take it easy on him if I do..."

That "old geezer" put more black belts flat on their backs than any other single
competitor at the events.  :)

_never_ underestimate something just because it is "old".  Deep Thought is
_still_
faster than any PC program running today, although the PCs are getting closer
every
six months.



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