Author: José Carlos
Date: 10:13:56 10/28/03
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On October 28, 2003 at 12:18:45, Sune Fischer wrote: >On October 28, 2003 at 11:57:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 28, 2003 at 11:27:30, Sune Fischer wrote: >> >>>On October 28, 2003 at 10:55:53, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>I don't think it has a thing to do with honesty. I'd never question >>>>Jeroen's honesty at all. >>>> >>>>It does have a lot to do with fairness. Bruce Moreland summed it up >>>>best: "why do I have to face the _same_ outstanding book twice in the >>>>same tournament when I don't ever face the same _program_ twice?" >>>> >>>>That's a good point. A good book can be a significant advantage. There >>>>are complaints if an amateur tries to use a commercial program's opening >>>>book. Why not if two different commercial entries try to use the same >>>>book? >>> >>>It's a grey zone, just like with Eugene's endgame tables. >>> >> >>Not quite the same. Everybody uses them. The info is identical for all >>users. Commercial books are not used by everybody... > >But what is fairness? > >Some programs run on dog slow machines and others on top end multiprocessor >systems, some "have an arrangement" with a book author to use his books, some >get paid to develop whilst others do it in their spare time. > >Who's to say what is fair and what is not? >More importantly, is the question really interesting? > >I don't mind if Lokasoft or Chessbase is teaming up their engines, it makes the >performance of the individual engine a little bit less impressive and it makes >it all the more fun to beat them in a competition (beat one you beat them all, >or if you lost you weren't beat by a single individual but by a team! :). > >-S. A general case (nothing to do with real programs or persons): Program A and program B play in the last round of a world champ. If A wins the game, it's the champion (prize for winner: $1,000,000). B is in the middle of the table. Case 1: They both use Nalimov tablebases Case 2: They both have the same author Case 3: They both have the same book author Of course, in the three cases the authors may do changes to the book / engine parameters. Now what is fair and what is not? Why? José C.
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